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Marquette Basketball Trend
« on: March 03, 2020, 09:20:23 PM »
Is the Marquette basketball trending up or down?
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 06:42:19 PM »
I once sat next to Freeway on a city bus driving from County Stadium to campus.  The conversation was as follows:

Freeway: "Do Milwaukee Brewer fans want a winner, or do they want a World Series?"
Me: "Well, making the playoffs consistently is quite an accomplishment, but winning a World Series is the ultimate..."
Freeway (interrupting): "DO MILWAUKEE BREWER FANS WANT A WINNER, OR DO THEY WANT A WORLD SERIES?"

It went on that way for the entire ride.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 07:00:06 PM »
From year 1 to year 6, MU under wojo is trending up
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 07:10:28 PM »
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 04, 2020, 07:00:06 PM
From year 1 to year 6, MU under wojo is trending up
From year 2 to year 6, MU under wojo is trending horizontal
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 07:11:35 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 07:10:28 PM
From year 2 to year 6, MU under wojo is trending horizontal

It is?
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 07:15:16 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
It is?
Your Projoism is relentless and insufferable.

Yes.  It is.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2020, 07:20:07 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 07:15:16 PM
Your Projoism is relentless and insufferable.

Yes.  It is.

Your stupidity is relentless and insufferable too.

Year 2 KenPom: 97
Year 3 KenPom: 32
Year 4 KenPom: 53
Year 5 KenPom: 33
Current KenPom: 29

Yup, horizontal from year 2 on!

PS love that “NoJos” get all hot and bothered when a “projo” says if you leave out the waste of a first year...Until that fits their agenda and then they’re all for it. Have it both ways!
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2020, 07:22:05 PM »
MU basketball was 8-2 in 1916-17.  So anything less than 80% is down.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2020, 07:22:53 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 07:20:07 PM
Your stupidity is relentless and insufferable too.

Year 2 KenPom: 97
Year 3 KenPom: 32
Year 4 KenPom: 53
Year 5 KenPom: 33
Current KenPom: 29

Yup, horizontal from year 2 on!
You are so sad.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2020, 07:24:24 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 07:20:07 PM
Your stupidity is relentless and insufferable too.

Year 2 KenPom: 97
Year 3 KenPom: 32
Year 4 KenPom: 53
Year 5 KenPom: 33
Current KenPom: 29

Yup, horizontal from year 2 on!

PS love that “NoJos” get all hot and bothered when a “projo” says if you leave out the waste of a first year...Until that fits their agenda and then they’re all for it. Have it both ways!

He has a losing record in conference over 6 seasons....
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2020, 07:25:35 PM »
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2020, 07:30:11 PM »
Quote from: panda on March 04, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
He has a losing record in conference over 6 seasons....

I guess that is trending up to some folks.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2020, 07:31:09 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
Good argument.
How about you just trust what you see manifest itself on the court.  KenPoms algorithms are heavily dependent on SOS.  Which is helped by the fact that the Big East has improved this year and a number of other variables year-over-year.  Wojo is not competing to be the 30th best team according KenPom (at least I sincerely hope he's not) - he's competing to win the Big East, Big East Tourney, and make runs in the NCAA.  None of which he has made progress towards.

The argument is futile though because you've chosen to die on the Projo hill.  Congrats.  The guy is an absolutely awful coach and you were wrong.  Truth hurts.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2020, 08:44:14 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 07:31:09 PM
How about you just trust what you see manifest itself on the court.  KenPoms algorithms are heavily dependent on SOS.  Which is helped by the fact that the Big East has improved this year and a number of other variables year-over-year.  Wojo is not competing to be the 30th best team according KenPom (at least I sincerely hope he's not) - he's competing to win the Big East, Big East Tourney, and make runs in the NCAA.  None of which he has made progress towards.

The argument is futile though because you've chosen to die on the Projo hill.  Congrats.  The guy is an absolutely awful coach and you were wrong.  Truth hurts.

So ignore the facts and just trust you. Got it. Always a good argument.

The truth is college basketball results don’t really hurt me. So nope.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2020, 08:56:23 PM »
Quote from: panda on March 04, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
He has a losing record in conference over 6 seasons....
yikes didn't realize that one. Yup, probably time to move on considering MU was a flagship school heading into the new BE
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2020, 09:09:58 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 08:44:14 PM
So ignore the facts and just trust you. Got it. Always a good argument.

The truth is college basketball results don’t really hurt me. So nope.
If anyone is ignoring facts here it's you.

5+ years no NCAA wins.  6 years overall losing record in the Big East.  2/6 seasons with a >.500 record in the Big East.
 One Top 3 Big East finish.  No single season with single digit losses.  No BET Finals appearances (with a 2x BE POY).  0 players sent to the NBA (despite multiple 4/5 star recruits).  2 straight horrendous collapses.  4 losses to DePaul in 6 years.

Ok you have a *slightly* positive KenPom slope.  KenPom is so heavily dependent on conference ratings that 13-15 Minnesota Gophers are like 3 spots behind us.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2020, 09:15:52 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 07:20:07 PM
Your stupidity is relentless and insufferable too.

Year 2 KenPom: 97
Year 3 KenPom: 32
Year 4 KenPom: 53
Year 5 KenPom: 33
Current KenPom: 29

Yup, horizontal from year 2 on!

PS love that “NoJos” get all hot and bothered when a “projo” says if you leave out the waste of a first year...Until that fits their agenda and then they’re all for it. Have it both ways!

This Wades vs 5DP argument boils down to the measure.

Wades shows KenPom numbers.  5DP could cite Tourney wins

Year 2: 0
Year 3: 0
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 0

Hence, flat. 

I think it's good to remember that KenPom is a means to an end, namely, getting to the NCAA--and winning games there.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2020, 09:17:42 PM »
Much of the 'fanbase' is trending downward. Deep into the poopy muck.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2020, 09:20:02 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
If anyone is ignoring facts here it's you.

5+ years no NCAA wins.  6 years overall losing record in the Big East.  2/6 seasons with a >.500 record in the Big East.
 One Top 3 Big East finish.  No single season with single digit losses.  No BET Finals appearances (with a 2x BE POY).  0 players sent to the NBA (despite multiple 4/5 star recruits).  2 straight horrendous collapses.  4 losses to DePaul in 6 years.

Ok you have a *slightly* positive KenPom slope.  KenPom is so heavily dependent on conference ratings that 13-15 Minnesota Gophers are like 3 spots behind us.

Ellenson?
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2020, 09:21:38 PM »
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 04, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Much of the 'fanbase' is trending downward. Deep into the poopy muck.

Yup.

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 04, 2020, 09:20:02 PM
Ellenson?

Yup.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2020, 09:23:56 PM »
Quote from: Eldon on March 04, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
This Wades vs 5DP argument boils down to the measure.

Wades shows KenPom numbers.  5DP could cite Tourney wins

Year 2: 0
Year 3: 0
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 0

Hence, flat. 

I think it's good to remember that KenPom is a means to an end, namely, getting to the NCAA--and winning games there.
I don't think it's quite that simple for me.  If we somehow win a tourney game this year in an 8/9 against some another dismal bubble team and then get crap pumped by Dayton.  I'm not going to suddenly submit that Wojo is trending upward.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2020, 09:25:29 PM »
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 04, 2020, 09:20:02 PM
Ellenson?
Lol oh yes.  How could I forgot.  Ellenson may have had more NBA success if he was allowed to go straight from high school.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2020, 10:02:23 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 09:25:29 PM
Lol oh yes.  How could I forgot.  Ellenson may have had more NBA success if he was allowed to go straight from high school.

That makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2020, 10:16:01 PM »
Quote from: manesworld on March 04, 2020, 10:02:23 PM
That makes a lot of sense.
Really couldn't be much worse than what his NBA career actually was (past-tense as he's a G league guy now).  Henry was getting drafted lottery with or without Wojo.
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Re: Marquette Basketball Trend
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2020, 10:17:43 PM »
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 04, 2020, 10:16:01 PM
Really couldn't be much worse than what his NBA career actually was (past-tense as he's a G league guy now).  Henry was getting drafted lottery with or without Wojo.

Kind of interesting  how Steve Novak had a way better career.
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