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Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« on: January 22, 2020, 01:12:17 PM »
a summary of Markus' climb up the NCAA career scoring list.

this should be a complete list of the top 50

Rank   G     PTS     AVG
1       83   3,667   44.2   MARAVICH, Pete - LSU
2     106   3,249   30.7   WILLIAMS, Freeman - Portland State
3     130   3,225   24.8   CLEMONS, Chris - Campbell
4     131   3,217   24.6   SIMMONS, Lionel - La Salle
5     109   3,165   29.0   FORD, Alphonso - Mississippi Valley State
6     145   3,150   21.7   McDERMOTT, Doug - Creighton
7     137   3,067   22.4   DAUM, Mike - South Dakota State
8     110   3,066   27.9   KELLY, Harry - Texas Southern
9     118   3,058   25.9   CLARK, Keydren - St. Peter's
10   125   3,008   24.1   HAWKINS, Hersey - Bradley
11     88   2,973   33.8   ROBERTSON, Oscar - Cincinnati
12   147   2,951   20.1   MANNING, Danny - Kansas
13   120   2,914   24.3   HUGHES, Alfredrick - Loyola
 --     86   2,906   33.8   LAMAR, Dwight "Bo" - Southwestern Louisiana
14     93   2,884   31.0   HAYES, Elvin - Houston
15   142   2,872   20.2   HANSBROUGH, Tyler - North Carolina
16     94   2,850   30.3   BIRD, Larry - Indiana State
17   111   2,832   25.5   BRADSHAW, Kevin - Bethune Cookman & US International
18   116   2,832   24.4   BIRDSONG, Otis - Houston
19   128   2,801   21.9   HOUSTON, Allan - Tennessee
20   139   2,769   19.9   REDICK, J.J. - Duke
21   117   2,723   23.3   GATHERS, Hank - USC & Loyola Marymount
22   139   2,720   19.6   HAWS, Tyler - BYU
23   122   2,708   22.2   LEWIS, Reggie - Northeastern
24   118   2,703   22.9   QUEENAN, Daren - Lehigh
25   121   2,696   22.3   LARKIN, Byron - Xavier
26   128   2,679   20.9   McCALEBB, Bo - New Orleans
27   127   2,669   21.0   ROBINSON, David - Navy
28   104   2,661   25.6   TISDALE, Wayman - Oklahoma
29   133   2,638   19.8   ELMORE, Jon - Marshall
30   104   2,635   25.3   CURRY, Stephen - Davidson
31  124   2,633  21.2  HOWARD, Markus - MARQUETTE  includes Providence 2/22
32   122   2,632   21.6   BELL, Troy - Boston College
33   114   2,628   23.1   BROOKS, Michael - La Salle
34   132   2,613   19.8   CHEANEY, Calbert - Indiana
35   116   2,612   22.5   DUMARS, Joe - McNeese State
36   126   2,609   20.7   MACON, Mark - Temple
37   127   2,608   20.5   MacLEAN, Don - UCLA
38   120   2,602   21.7   DOMERCANT, Henry - Eastern Illinois
39   139   2,599   18.7   FREDETTE, Jimmer - BYU
40   110   2,591   23.6   BAILEY, Terrance - Wagner
41   104   2,587   24.9   HEMRIC, Dickie - Wake Forest
42   108   2,583   23.9   JAKUBICK, Joe - Akron
43   108   2,581   23.9   NATT, Calvin - Northeastern Louisiana
44   130   2,580   19.8   CHIEVOUS, Derrick - Missouri
45   125   2,574   20.6   HENDERSON, Skip - Marshall
46   140   2,571   18.4   GOUDELOCK, Andrew - College of Charleston
47     74   2,560   34.6   CARR, Austin - Notre Dame
48   112   2,556   22.8   WILLIAMS, Reggie - VMI
49   133   2,556   19.2   DAWKINS, Johnny - Duke
50   133   2,555   19.2   ELLIOTT, Sean - Arizona

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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2020, 01:25:48 PM »
hmm, kinda a neat snapshot of history. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/pts-player-career.html

Interesting looking at where the names landed and who Markus might pass by the time he's done.

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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 01:55:01 PM »
hmm, kinda a neat snapshot of history. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/pts-player-career.html

Interesting looking at where the names landed and who Markus might pass by the time he's done.

Worth noting, the Sports Reference page only goes back to 1985-86. It's a fine list, but it's definitely incomplete.
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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 01:56:30 PM »
If Markus howard averages 20 points a game for the rest of the season (13 games minimum) 11 regular, at least 1 BET and at least 1 post season tournament game. He will crack the top 10 scoring all time.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 02:01:24 PM »
Worth noting, the Sports Reference page only goes back to 1985-86. It's a fine list, but it's definitely incomplete.

Ah, I did not catch that. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 02:05:19 PM »
His brother holds the 28 spot right now.

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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2020, 02:10:07 PM »
The Wikipedia list is more complete but only goes to #25:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_career_scoring_leaders

Getting into the top-10 isn't impossible, but it would be a Herculean feat. If he continues averaging 28.4 ppg like he is now, he would crack the top-10 (passing Hersey Hawkins) in the national title game, assuming we also went to the Big East title game. To get there, he needs 1,054 points on the season. The most likely way for him to get there would be to increase his scoring. If he keeps up the 30.3 ppg he's been scoring since the start of Big East play, he could get into the career top-10 in the Elite 8 (again, requiring a BET title game appearance), which would still be an incredible feat but probably more reachable.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/10/markus-howard-scoring-record-watch.html
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 04:30:29 PM »
His brother holds the 28 spot right now.


Should make for some interesting calls and texts when he passes Jordan.

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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 04:34:20 PM »
When its all said and done, Markus will have set an unbreakable Marquette record.

Nobody is coming close in career points, not a chance in hell unless the NCAA and NBAPA decide players have to stay in college all four years.

Markus is the unique combination of being the best scorer in the country, but at the same time, not a great enough NBA prospect for him to leave early.

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 04:39:28 PM »
The Wikipedia list is more complete but only goes to #25:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_career_scoring_leaders

Getting into the top-10 isn't impossible, but it would be a Herculean feat. If he continues averaging 28.4 ppg like he is now, he would crack the top-10 (passing Hersey Hawkins) in the national title game, assuming we also went to the Big East title game. To get there, he needs 1,054 points on the season. The most likely way for him to get there would be to increase his scoring. If he keeps up the 30.3 ppg he's been scoring since the start of Big East play, he could get into the career top-10 in the Elite 8 (again, requiring a BET title game appearance), which would still be an incredible feat but probably more reachable.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/10/markus-howard-scoring-record-watch.html



It would be awesome for Markus to hit top 10, but just getting onto that top 25 list would be amazing. Knocking off Byron Larkin, passing guys like Hank Gathers, Otis Birdsong and Danny Manning. Wow!

And when you look at P6 schools, the only additions in the last 30 years have been McDermott, Hansbrough and Reddick. Everyone else is earlier or from a mid-major school. A new P6 guy doesn't get onto this list often.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 05:00:52 PM »


It would be awesome for Markus to hit top 10, but just getting onto that top 25 list would be amazing. Knocking off Byron Larkin, passing guys like Hank Gathers, Otis Birdsong and Danny Manning. Wow!

And when you look at P6 schools, the only additions in the last 30 years have been McDermott, Hansbrough and Reddick. Everyone else is earlier or from a mid-major school. A new P6 guy doesn't get onto this list often.

And even McDermott spent 75% of his career in the Missouri Valley.

Looking at high major guys from the past 35 years, Glenn Robinson at Purdue, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf at LSU, and Dennis Hopson at Ohio State are the only ones to have a season average higher than where Howard is at right now. Though the craziest stat I think is that Bo Kimble and Hank Gathers both averaged 29+ in the same season for LMU. Howard is definitely chasing and flirting with a lot of history.

If ever a guy from outside a top-4 seed could win NPOY, it might be Howard this year. With no dominant teams or players, the kind of numbers he's putting up are just silly. If Marquette is rolling and Howard is the must-watch attraction in the sport (which right now, plenty of media types are indicating he is) then his sheer volume may overwhelm less impressive stat lines at higher ranked programs.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 05:26:09 PM »
Whats crazy, and also impressive, is looking at the spot Markus could hold when you consider the difference in games played, due to either scheduling or tournament success that Markus unfortunately hasn't gotten to experience.  For example, JJ Reddick and Tyler Hansborough both scored more as freshman, but trail Markus' average the next 3 years, fairly significantly actually, but if Marquette wins 1 in the BET and, lets say, makes the S16, thats 15 more games.  Markus will end up with 132 GP.  JJ played 139, Psycho T played 142, and the top dog in those new P6 guys, McDermott, played 145 games to get his totals.

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 06:47:50 PM »
moved list of NCAA 100 to top post
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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2020, 07:36:25 PM »
Thanks oldwarrior81.

The numbers Maravich put up in three years without a shot clock or 3-point shot continue to amaze me. Just staggering.

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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 07:42:31 PM »
Always a big fan of Byron Larkin. Closest comparison to MH.
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 08:04:03 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 08:14:07 PM »
Always a big fan of Byron Larkin. Closest comparison to MH.

How so? Larkin was significantly taller and he couldn’t shoot the 3 well, that’s why he didn’t get any NBA looks. Also played much softer competition in the old MCC. If Markus was 6’3, he’d be a first round pick.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 08:50:15 PM »
Always a big fan of Byron Larkin. Closest comparison to MH.

maybe Shane Larkin from Miami?  He was a little under 6' and shot the ball a bit better than Uncle Byron.

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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2020, 09:13:28 PM »
Thanks for that list, ow81. When Markus gets his 34th point Friday at Butler, he will be the 71st player ever to hit the 2,500-point mark.
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Re: Markus Howard - NCAA career scoring list
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 09:13:55 PM »
maybe Shane Larkin from Miami?  He was a little under 6' and shot the ball a bit better than Uncle Byron.

This makes a lot more sense. Markus is a better shooter but Larkin was more of a PG-distributor who could score but the comparison is a bit better

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2020, 09:51:20 PM »
maybe Shane Larkin from Miami?  He was a little under 6' and shot the ball a bit better than Uncle Byron.

Byron was a /much/ better shooter than Shane in college. As a 2G, Byron shot 52% for his career in an era when the midrange was still a thing. Meanwhile, Shane shot about 44% from the floor. Byron was a helluva shooter and scorer.  Shane, not as much.

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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2020, 09:58:05 PM »
Byron was a /much/ better shooter than Shane in college. As a 2G, Byron shot 52% for his career in an era when the midrange was still a thing. Meanwhile, Shane shot about 44% from the floor. Byron was a helluva shooter and scorer.  Shane, not as much.

Weird rant! I know nothing about Byron but Shane shot 41% from 3 & 54% from 2 as a sophomore. Seems very good to me?

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2020, 10:04:26 PM »
Weird rant! I know nothing about Byron but Shane shot 41% from 3 & 54% from 2 as a sophomore. Seems very good to me?

That's fine, but his uncle was sublime

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/byron-larkin-1.html

and

https://goxavier.com/hof.aspx?hof=68

Shane was a career 43% shooter. Byron checks in at 52% (injuries in his junior season being the only campaign under 50%).

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 11:27:42 PM »
That's fine, but his uncle was sublime

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/byron-larkin-1.html

and

https://goxavier.com/hof.aspx?hof=68

Shane was a career 43% shooter. Byron checks in at 52% (injuries in his junior season being the only campaign under 50%).

Shane shot 48% his sophomore year while shooting 5 3s per game, which lowers overall percentage.

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2020, 02:30:27 PM »
That's fine, but his uncle was sublime

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/byron-larkin-1.html

and

https://goxavier.com/hof.aspx?hof=68

Shane was a career 43% shooter. Byron checks in at 52% (injuries in his junior season being the only campaign under 50%).

But again, a player 4-5 inches taller than Markus who shot under 35% from 3 as a senior, on less than 2 attempts a game, 30 years ago...is the best comparison for him?  Just sounds like another volume scorer from your youth you enjoyed watching  that you're forcing a comparison to another volume scorer.