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Author Topic: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level  (Read 3982 times)

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2020, 10:46:08 PM »
+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in. The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

Why would strong come back if Stan was promoted? Just because Wojo is gone and he didn't want wojo?

Is there a current money problem within the program?

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2020, 11:01:31 PM »
Slick Rick Pitino!?!?! Was that really the suggestion???

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2020, 11:12:30 PM »
What about the previous suggestion of Hologram Al?

We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better. Stronger. Smarter.

This initiative should be the sole focus of the colleges of engineering and sports medicine.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2020, 12:08:10 AM »
What if someone were, say, an assistant coach for 15 years?




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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2020, 09:45:45 AM »
+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in.  The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

So now saving the class matters?  Wish some of you all would make up your minds.

Are you seriously saying Wojo is not recruiting Chicago because of Collins?  Are you seriously saying this? 
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2020, 10:10:48 AM »
This morning, new Marquette head coach Holo Al McGuire began working with the team at the practice center named in his honor. Before the end of the first drill, impatient fans called for him to be fired.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2020, 10:13:55 AM »
Unless a ton of money is thrown at him, why would a coach leave Arkansas to go to a Big East school?
Better conference.
A school that basketball is #1, not a distant second to football in the fans eyes.

Granted, I don't think a coach would take less money to come to the Big East, but I don't think a BE coach would take less money to go to Arkansas.

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2020, 10:19:45 AM »
Better conference.
A school that basketball is #1, not a distant second to football in the fans eyes.

Granted, I don't think a coach would take less money to come to the Big East, but I don't think a BE coach would take less money to go to Arkansas.

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2020, 10:29:08 AM »
As a private Jesuit institution, Marquette isn't for everyone. Head coaches included. MU takes its mission -- promoting knowledge, faith, leadership and service -- seriously. The basketball program is no exception. "Win Every Day" goes far beyond the court, reinforcing the guiding values of the university. It's a very different environment from the big public schools, one with a unique focus.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2020, 11:08:11 AM »
Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

Marquette couldn't steal a coach from Xavier or Washington State in 2008, or VCU in 2014, but now we're going to pull one from a historically solid SEC program.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2020, 11:15:45 AM »
Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

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« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2020, 11:18:37 AM »
Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

His dad was the same way.

Hyper-Intense guys who obviously know how to coach basketball, and they can make a quick impression. But either their players start tuning them out or they burn out, or both.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2020, 11:29:11 AM »
Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

Sounds a lot like Larry Brown. Over the course of 40+ years, he coached 13 different college, ABA and NBA teams.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2020, 11:43:41 AM »
Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

Arkansas only has the one title, and one runner-up. Both were accomplished more recently than ours, of course.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2020, 01:53:55 PM »
Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.
The comment I responded to was about a coach leaving Arkansas for the Big East, not MU specifically.

Look, I'm not saying it is likely an Arkansas coach would go to a Big East program just like I don't find it likely that a Big East coach would take the Arkansas job.

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2020, 02:22:40 PM »
+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in.  The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

if that's the case why aren't they doing it now?

And yeah, Northwestern is really kicking our ass in Chicago recruiting.  ::)
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2020, 07:53:08 PM »
I'd promote Stan
A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2020, 08:31:00 PM »
A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2020, 08:42:55 PM »
A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

Bad take.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2020, 09:47:32 PM »
A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

What does this stoopid dribble even mean?
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2020, 11:21:24 AM »
Everyone knows what the BOT wants.  Are you saying that you want a program that cheats?  that seems to be your implication.

These guys/gals don't want to get caught cheating. 

The world of big time college sports must be a real cesspool.   I was upset with the BOT, I've adjusted my thinking.  I now accept the new normal. 

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« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM »
These guys/gals don't want to get caught cheating. 

The world of big time college sports must be a real cesspool.   I was upset with the BOT, I've adjusted my thinking.  I now accept the new normal.

There are plenty of schools doing it right with success.  MU included.  Others are doing it right with even more success, that’s where I want to get to.
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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2020, 02:29:08 PM »
Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.
Arkansas basketball is a case study that supports why that are so much angst about Wojo performance.

Arkansas had a phenomenal program for a 25 year stretch of Eddie Sutton/Nolan Richardson. It then become a program similar to where MU is now. The longer a program stays at the lesser level, the more it becomes defined by that level.   Arkansas literally stayed at the Wojo level for 25 years straight and now no one thinks of them as any thing but that.

Arkansas is part of SEC football so they can absorb the body blow. MU does not have football and thus can not tolerate an extended period of non elite performance.

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Re: The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2020, 03:45:59 PM »
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