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Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 05:11:05 PM

  comparing apples to yoga pants

  i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes.  every other country had been doing it since socrates except us. 

It is absolutely a valid comparison. Amateur athletics is a joke.
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Pakuni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 07, 2020, 05:11:05 PM

  comparing apples to yoga pants

  i don't recall the topic of allowing pros to compete in olympics being near the concern as paying college athletes.  every other country had been doing it since socrates except us.

NY Times October 1991, after it was announced pros would compete in the 1992 Summer Games:

"The Olympics Are Dead"
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/27/sports/l-the-olympics-are-dead-552791.html

Cheeks

Internals were interesting.  44% of the respondents are currently not employed.  Hmm.  Only 33% are college graduates.

The poll had questions about immigration, Trump, NCAA, abortion, etc.   Outstanding poll for this issue....OUTSTANDING.   ::)

http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Documents/NCAA%20Topline%202019.pdf
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rocky_warrior

Quote from: Cheeks on January 07, 2020, 11:24:41 PM
Internals were interesting.  44% of the respondents are currently not employed.  Hmm.  Only 33% are college graduates.

Ignoring that you'd like to make this about Politics. 

About 38% of Americans are not employed.  Now, a vast majority of those are "Not in the labor force", but they're still not employed.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

Only about 35% of Americans are college graduates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#General_attainment_of_degrees/diplomas

So what's the issue?

Jockey

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2020, 11:37:08 PM
Ignoring that you'd like to make this about Politics. 

About 38% of Americans are not employed.  Now, a vast majority of those are "Not in the labor force", but they're still not employed.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

Only about 35% of American's are college graduates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States#General_attainment_of_degrees/diplomas

So what's the issue?

Let's put those lazy 90 year olds to work.

MU82

I forgot to mention in my OP that this is the second major national poll in which roughly 2/3rds of Americans surveyed said college athletes should be compensated when their names and images are used to generate profit.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/20704329/blacks-whites-split-topic-compensation-college-players

While, as other Scoopers mentioned, California already has passed a law that will go in effect in 2023, many other states are working on legislation now. South Carolina -- the diametric ideological opposite of California -- is putting the final touches on a similar law that would take effect in 2021.

One can understand why the NCAA is desperate for a national law, because change is coming fast.
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MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2020, 08:07:25 AM
I forgot to mention in my OP that this is the second major national poll in which roughly 2/3rds of Americans surveyed said college athletes should be compensated when their names and images are used to generate profit.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/20704329/blacks-whites-split-topic-compensation-college-players

While, as other Scoopers mentioned, California already has passed a law that will go in effect in 2023, many other states are working on legislation now. South Carolina -- the diametric ideological opposite of California -- is putting the final touches on a similar law that would take effect in 2021.

One can understand why the NCAA is desperate for a national law, because change is coming fast.

If there's something that transcends ideology, it's sports.  The south has to get on board quickly or their sacred sports programs will be under attack. 

Herman Cain

I have been thinking about this issue for a while.   I believe that 99 percent of College Athletes that are in head count sports ( those sports where scholarships and full cost of attendance are taken care) and 100 percent of College Athletes who are in equivalency sports ( partial  scholarship rides) are more than fully compensated . As Chico points out most people dont understand the system fully and just respond to something that sounds good in concept.

That said, if the popular will wants to go to compensating student athletes  , so be it. I think one of the strange consequences will be that smaller programs  put all their resources into one great player. So it may turn out to be like old lawless days where payments where rampant . In those days schools like Jacksonville some how get a player like Artis Gilmore, Niagara gets Calvin Murphy, St. Bonnie gets Bob Lanier etc 

So MU might be able to actually rise to the top in this scenario , just like they did with Al. Take our big budget and spending it wisely. Maybe create a niche going after two and done type players.
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MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 04:25:44 PM

So MU might be able to actually rise to the top in this scenario , just like they did with Al. Take our big budget and spending it wisely. Maybe create a niche going after two and done type players.

I've wondered how MU's big budget will play into this as well.  The thing is, if a player is looking to be paid, does a certain mentality come with it? 

Does that mentality fit with what they're doing now in terms of image?

Furthermore, is it that much of an advantage?  Other schools have resources as well, especially from boosters.  The other thing I think of is.... once you start paying guys, how does that affect other teammates who aren't getting paid?

There's a lot of ego massaging here, especially when you're applying this to competitive athletes that are kids.  They often don't see the big picture and are prone to jealousy.

Jay Bee

Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
Let's put those lazy 90 year olds to work.

Pretty sure MU82 ain't been that old for all these years bruh
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