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muguru

"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
What else is he going to point to? 

Did he say it was "a poor effort" or his players didn't put full effort forth?  Different things.

If it wasn't about effort, then it was coaching on Wednesday.

Both bad alternatives.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
If it wasn't about effort, then it was coaching on Wednesday.

Both bad alternatives.

Or a bit of coaching, a bit of effort (2nd half) and a bit of being outplayed by a good team on the road. Doesn't have to be just one thing.

Mr. Nielsen

Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.

''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
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Mr. Nielsen

If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

wadesworld

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 04, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.

''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''

Did Jay just bring up his team's youth? Uh oh! Hope NovaScoop didn't see it! If so, DUCK JAY!

rocky_warrior

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Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:36:10 PM
Rocky, are you really telling me that 2 recent games are indicative of the long-term success of a number of coaches who well established track records of getting the most out of their teams?

No. I'm replying to the state of basketball this year, and your apparent angst that Marquette has been inconsistent between the last two games.  Perhaps you could name a couple coaches that have taught their team to be consistent this year. Just a couple examples would be great.


Silent Verbal

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 04, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Villanova coach Jay Wright said Marquette guard Markus Howard.

''He's just in total control out there,'' Wright said of the 5-foot-11 guard. ''Even defensively, he's so smart. He uses his body well. Offensively, he's always under control. He's never off-balance. He's got an incredible basketball IQ. He's got great confidence. You just see each of those areas get better and better. Now, as a senior, you can just see he's just out there like, `I'm playing with a bunch of kids.' And against us, he is. That's what it looked like.''

Today's win reminded me a lot of our victory over Nova in 2017.  Nova didn't seem to have much of a game plan, and they never really adjusted when it was obvious that everyone but Swider was ice cold.  They just kept jacking up threes, and not only were they missing, but they were missing open shots badly.  MU was also able to block a lot of shots without fouling.  In total, I think Nova maybe only shot 5 free throws. 

On the defensive end, they didn't have anyone who could stay with Howard.  Putting a bigger guy on him didn't work, and watching Gillespie try to guard him was like watching Greg Paulus try to guard DJ.  Markus made him look like a statue.  It'll be interesting to see how they adjust in Philly.

In short, even the AP's Coach of the Decade is capable of looking human at times.  Though in those suits, his "human" looks better than most!

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
No. I'm replying to the state of basketball this year, and your apparent angst that Marquee has been inconsistent between the last two games.  Perhaps you could name a couple coaches that have taught their team to be consistent this year. Just a couple examples would be great.

Do you know the difference between weather and climate?

One is a short term set of transitory conditions.  Like the weird 50 degree December day in Wisconsin. The other is the long run overriding set of conditions that are most prevalent.  Like it being cold in December in Wisconsin.

Your asking me to prove the latter by giving examples of the former.  The state of basketball this year is completely irrelevant to my point that there are coaches with long term track records of highly motivated, consistent teams.

Small Orange Soda

Great win.  Our two best victories have been Koby's two best games, so maybe he's the secret sauce.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
The state of basketball this year is completely irrelevant to my point that there are coaches with long term track records of highly motivated, consistent teams.

I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein. 

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 06:00:33 PM
I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein.

I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.

This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen.  And it does not happen to those teams.


JakeBarnes

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.

This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen.  And it does not happen to those teams.

Wut.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

"We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others." -Camus, The Rebel

tower912

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM


This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen.  And it does not happen to those teams.
Seriously, how much college basketball do you watch? 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 04, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Wut.

Any. Team. Can. Have. An. Off. Game. Despite. This. Good. Coaches. Get. Max. Effort. And. Consistency. Over. Time.

Wojo. Hasn't. Shown. Ability. To. Do. This. For. Five. Years.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Any. Team. Can. Have. An. Off. Game. Despite. This. Good. Coaches. Get. Max. Effort. And. Consistency. Over. Time.

Wojo. Hasn't. Shown. Ability. To. Do. This. For. Five. Years.

It is becoming very clear that you do not watch much college basketball.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

"We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others." -Camus, The Rebel

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
Seriously, how much college basketball do you watch?

Are you telling me that you disagree with my belief that great coaches can have games where their team doesn't play well or where the team has a crap effort day?  Are you further disagreeing with me that these coaches correct it so it doesn't become a pattern?

If that is your contention, please say it.  I have played, coached and watched plenty of basketball, enough to know coaches who get max effort consistently and those like Wojo.



WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
1.   WHAT?!?!?!    A top 10 team can lose a conference road game?!?!?!?     FIRE WRIGHT!!!!
2.  No, seriously, some of you guys are idiots and cheapen the Marquette diploma.     Teams lose conference road games.   Wojo isn't getting fired.   Grow the F up. 
3.   That first half is what I had been picturing as what this team would look like.
4.   A seven minute scoring drought.    And still having a lead.   Great rebounding.  Held off the inevitable run through solid team defense.   
5.   This is what Wojo screams about when he pleads for more effort.   Must find a way to bring this intensity and effort on the road in conference   
6.   Theo looked like THE MAN we all have been expecting this season.   
7.   He is much improved, but I still flinch every time Cain does anything other than shoot the open 3, or take two dribbles with a pull up.    Every time he dribbles in space, every time he tries to feed the post.....  eewwww.   
8.   I don't like Markus setting picks.  He is small, gets beat up, and picks up fouls because he isn't used to it.
9.   I was amused to hear the announcers talk about player development in Bailey, John, Sacar.     Must not read scoop.   Gillespie is another example of how players sometimes get better over time.   
10.  1-1 in conference.    Held (Fi) serve at home over the #10 team on the country.   Breathe.  Like Wojo told his team with 33 seconds left.
1: No teal required.
2: A bit harsh but I agree.
3: That was about as good as the team can play. Don't expect every game to start like that. It was nice though.
4: That was about as bad as the team can play on offense. Unacceptable even though great D maintained the lead.
5: Agreed. That's on the coaches and captains.
6: Other guys staying in front of their man allowed Theo to do his thing. He handled his assignment. Still limited offensively. Is the wrist an issue? Should have dunked but missed a bunny instead during the second half drought.
7: Wojo needs to continue to teach him to harness that energy. Unbridled energy is dangerous
8: Disagree. Marcus needs to be a complete player, including setting screens. Koby was at least partially to blame for that foul on the screen.
9: In fairness to other posters, there have been times where it seems like guys are regressing(see Creighton game ). I do believe they are trending upward however. Time will tell.
10: I always hold my breath before and during the games. I only breathe after games, cheering a win and cursing a loss. Today I'm cheering.

muguru

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 06:00:33 PM
I'll take that as an admission that you can't find any examples of consistent teams this year, and you'd rather point out that (obviously) longer tenured coaches have a better history than wojo. Thanks Einstein.

I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight but Gonzaga has been awfully consistent, and so has Auburn(since they are undefeated). That's just a couple of examples.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Cheeks

Quote from: Class71 on January 04, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
Read your first couple of comments tomorrow and you may want to reconsider them.

He should double down on them, and they should be pegged to the top of this board
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

muguru

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 04, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
1: No teal required.
2: A bit harsh but I agree.
3: That was about as good as the team can play. Don't expect every game to start like that. It was nice though.
4: That was about as bad as the team can play on offense. Unacceptable even though great D maintained the lead.
5: Agreed. That's on the coaches and captains.
6: Other guys staying in front of their man allowed Theo to do his thing. He handled his assignment. Still limited offensively. Is the wrist an issue? Should have dunked but missed a bunny instead during the second half drought.
7: Wojo needs to continue to teach him to harness that energy. Unbridled energy is dangerous
8: Disagree. Marcus needs to be a complete player, including setting screens. Koby was at least partially to blame for that foul on the screen.
9: In fairness to other posters, there have been times where it seems like guys are regressing(see Creighton game ). I do believe they are trending upward however. Time will tell.
10: I always hold my breath before and during the games. I only breathe after games, cheering a win and cursing a loss. Today I'm cheering.

Yes, he considered red shirting this year because of it, but decided to play through it.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.

This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen.  And it does not happen to those teams.

You mean good coaches only get blown out once?  What's you're ridiculous criteria? 

f/k/a humanlung

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2020, 06:46:38 PM
You mean good coaches only get blown out once?  What's you're ridiculous criteria?

Where did I say that?


HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on January 04, 2020, 06:00:03 PM
Great win.  Our two best victories have been Koby's two best games, so maybe he's the secret sauce.

Interesting observation and seems accurate.  He probably is our X factor. 

Cheeks

Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on January 04, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
I wasn't talking about this year as it relates to Wojo. I am talking about the entirely of his tenure as coach. His teams have been wildly inconsistent as has the effort of his teams.

This can happen to ANY coach from game to game but over time, good coaches do not allow this to happen.  And it does not happen to those teams.


Tough day for you today....relax, you will get another chance to complain as we will lose more games.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

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