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Re: Terrap-le
« Reply #100 on: December 01, 2019, 07:47:32 PM »
A couple things here, guru ...

I don't like losing money, but I will say that I have learned a ton from my investing mistakes. Long-term, they made me a better investor. The smart person learns something from everything that happens to him or her, whether good or bad.

Of course I'd rather win every game than lose any. I remember my third year as a middle-school coach -- we had a really, really good team, started 11-0. Then we lost a close game. The next day, our AD comes up to me and says, "Maybe it's a good thing you lost. It will take some pressure off of the team and you can use it as a teaching moment." And I just said, "Yeah, maybe." But I didn't believe it. I felt that we could have learned plenty if we had won, too. I wanted to go undefeated. But we DID learn from it because that's what intelligent, determined, competitive people do ... and we went on to win the first championship in school history.

I really don't think anybody here is saying, "Yay, we lost to Maryland." Or even, "It's OK that we lost." But many of us are saying that it's not the end of the world that we lost and that, despite the loss, there were some encouraging signs as we go forward, things that might help us be a better team down the road. If you watched that game and didn't come out encouraged about Bailey and Johnson, I don't know what to say.

You don't like it when others tell you how you should act or how you should feel; you have voiced that strongly many times. But it's OK for you to tell others how they should act and feel?

I'd have rather beaten Maryland.  I definitely would have rather beaten Wisconsin. I'd rather go into the national title game undefeated, because there's pressure either way. But when my alma mater's basketball team loses, I do try to look objectively at what happened, and yes I usually am able to find some encouraging signs. If you think that somehow makes me a "lesser" fan than you, I can live with that.

It has nothing to do with who's being a better fan etc. I never said that. Sure there were encouraging signs IF(and that's the qualifier) it actually helps them later on(and it's meaningful). But there's no guarantee's it will. Maybe they will just keep losing games regardless. We all hope not, but we can't dismiss that possibility either. So in that regard, I'd rather win as much as I possibly can then try to be positive from a loss in HOPES that it will pay dividends down the road. Because, what if it doesn't?? Then what was learned from that loss or this loss or any other?? I'm 100% with you if it was some "magic pill" and guaranteed things would be better after a loss, but none of us know that for sure.
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« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2019, 07:52:43 PM »
Great question.  What say you after 5-years to judge, and now 6 consecutive years of absolute beat downs by Big 10 teams?

Does our coach have all of "his guys?"  Check
The silly and false empty cupboard excuse fully retired?  Check
An experienced and "old" roster?  Check
1st Team All American?  Check

So, it would seem in sports or business, the answer to your question would be:  Management isn't getting it done.

Is John Dawson on the roster? NOPE

There’s your answer “Elon.”

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« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2019, 07:54:17 PM »
Great question.  What say you after 5-years to judge, and now 6 consecutive years of absolute beat downs by Big 10 teams?

Does our coach have all of "his guys?"  Check
The silly and false empty cupboard excuse fully retired?  Check
An experienced and "old" roster?  Check
1st Team All American?  Check

So, it would seem in sports or business, the answer to your question would be:  Management isn't getting it done.

You know I was just thinking about this today. I do find it puzling/troubling how bad they have been against Big ten teams under Wojo.
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« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2019, 08:03:33 PM »
Great question.  What say you after 5-years to judge, and now 6 consecutive years of absolute beat downs by Big 10 teams?

Does our coach have all of "his guys?"  Check
The silly and false empty cupboard excuse fully retired?  Check
An experienced and "old" roster?  Check
1st Team All American?  Check

So, it would seem in sports or business, the answer to your question would be:  Management isn't getting it done.

Excuse?

Please.  Take off your Buzz goggles, bro.  Not only did Buzz mail it in his final year at MU, he set the program back years, if not decades. 

Frankly, I'm not sure it's possible that the program can recover from Buzz's empty cupboard damage.  I mean, Lovell is trying, e.g., tearing down McCormick, building a new Rec Center, etc., but only time will tell.

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« Reply #104 on: December 01, 2019, 08:06:25 PM »
2.5 point underdog, down 28 early in the 2nd half, game over - but several positives? Most of which occurred after the game was decided and Maryland had sort of lost interest? If Koby can be who Koby was vs Purdue, if Bailey and Anim can be who they were today and if Markus can be who he was vs USC we'll win the National Championship going away - even with little or no help from the 5. But there's so much volatility...this team has me puzzled.

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« Reply #105 on: December 01, 2019, 08:08:35 PM »
You know I was just thinking about this today. I do find it puzling/troubling how bad they have been against Big ten teams under Wojo.
Its ok though because I am sure the team learned something after each loss.

My question for the holier than thou crowd is at what point is losing not acceptable. Is 5 years going on 6 of mediocrity ok because the team is learning along the way?

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« Reply #106 on: December 01, 2019, 08:13:08 PM »
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No way if I'm any of the players or the Coaching staff am I getting on that plane "feeling good" that we just lost by 21 in a Championship because well, "good, now the players will start to listen more etc" or, "well hey, yeah we lost but Brandan looked good, maybe this will help him going forward". I promise you they didn't think those things.

So if you were coaching, you would have these guys run until the soles of their feet bleed all while screaming at them because they didn’t win 3 games?

Or would you highlight the things that they did well individually and collectively and help them improve on that all the while pointing out flaws in their game to help them improve for the next game?

I honestly look forward to your answer as I believe you believe in the former.

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« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2019, 08:19:23 PM »
Excuse?

Please.  Take off your Buzz goggles, bro.  Not only did Buzz mail it in his final year at MU, he set the program back years, if not decades. 

Frankly, I'm not sure it's possible that the program can recover from Buzz's empty cupboard damage.  I mean, Lovell is trying, e.g., tearing down McCormick, building a new Rec Center, etc., but only time will tell.

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« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2019, 08:20:43 PM »
Great question.  What say you after 5-years to judge, and now 6 consecutive years of absolute beat downs by Big 10 teams?

Does our coach have all of "his guys?"  Check
The silly and false empty cupboard excuse fully retired?  Check
An experienced and "old" roster?  Check
1st Team All American?  Check

So, it would seem in sports or business, the answer to your question would be:  Management isn't getting it done.

LOL. Before today, you were mildly pleasant with your new name and account....mildly...still waiting to unleash your same crap you always do. 

Tell me, how did Duke lost this week AT HOME with 8 guys on the team that are 5 star recruits?  How did Kentucky lose?  Same old same old from you...never gets old.  I'm guessing Maryland has a great shot to win the Big Ten this year. 

We'll see how they do against Michigan State and others, but Maryland is a very talented team. 
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« Reply #109 on: December 01, 2019, 08:21:04 PM »
So if you were coaching, you would have these guys run until the soles of their feet bleed all while screaming at them because they didn’t win 3 games?

Or would you highlight the things that they did well individually and collectively and help them improve on that all the while pointing out flaws in their game to help them improve for the next game?

I honestly look forward to your answer as I believe you believe in the former.
of course, thats what a coach should do,  but none of us are the coach that I know of.

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« Reply #110 on: December 01, 2019, 08:23:13 PM »
Its ok though because I am sure the team learned something after each loss.

My question for the holier than thou crowd is at what point is losing not acceptable. Is 5 years going on 6 of mediocrity ok because the team is learning along the way?

Please end your donations and stop buying tickets...that will show them who is boss.  My question to the crowd that thinks Al is still alive and it is 1977....do you still drive a Pinto?
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« Reply #111 on: December 01, 2019, 08:25:50 PM »
LOL. Before today, you were mildly pleasant with your new name and account....mildly...still waiting to unleash your same crap you always do. 

Tell me, how did Duke lost this week AT HOME with 8 guys on the team that are 5 star recruits?  How did Kentucky lose?  Same old same old from you...never gets old.  I'm guessing Maryland has a great shot to win the Big Ten this year. 

We'll see how they do against Michigan State and others, but Maryland is a very talented team.
What are Duke's and Kentucky's record and tournament sucess the last 5 years vs MU thats the question not one random game. Of course teams lose games over the course of a year. Silly arguement by you. Again.

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« Reply #112 on: December 01, 2019, 08:27:16 PM »
Markus - He's never going to average 40... but he's also never going to average 6.  If he scores 20, MU still loses.  It is possible to take him out of the game.  It was done last year, and it's been done twice already this year.  It takes a combination of size, strategy, and compliant refereeing, but he can be "removed" from effectiveness.
Bailey - a taste of things to come I hope
Sacar - solid
Jayce - Deserves more minutes.  Was strong.  Played smart.  Smarter than the other two bigs by a mile. Even sets good screens without moving too soon.
Theo - cannot seem to get above the rim any more.  Plays terrible defense.  Always going for the block.
Ed - Should only play after everyone including the walk-ons has fouled out.  A complete waste of a scholarship.  Making freshman (high school freshman) mistakes.  He's always in the way of the drive/cutter on offense and on defense his man scored nearly every time he was in. 
Jamal - it's so easy for him to not contribute.  But he should.  Too quiet.
Greg - Needs more minutes.  Seems to have a lot of rust.
Koby - at least he hit that late 3... maybe that will get him off to a good start next game.  He needs to learn how to finish at this level of competition. 
Coaching - Not bad.  Markus, Sacar and Koby all had 15 foot pull-ups available. Only Sacar took them regularly and made them.  Koby took 2 as I remember but clanged them.  Markus could have taken them but decided to attack.  I thought a correction could have been made and he could have 10-12 easy points off of pull-ups rather than attacking 3 guys.  I think the scout was to defend hard inside, let them have the 3's and then suddenly Maryland started making 3's. 
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« Reply #113 on: December 01, 2019, 08:27:21 PM »
So if you were coaching, you would have these guys run until the soles of their feet bleed all while screaming at them because they didn’t win 3 games?

Or would you highlight the things that they did well individually and collectively and help them improve on that all the while pointing out flaws in their game to help them improve for the next game?

I honestly look forward to your answer as I believe you believe in the former.

I mean, if you want the honest truth, I will give it to you...and that would be that I would rather they not put me in a position as a Coach where I'm harping on the same things all the time. That's as honest as I can be. See, the thing is, I can still teach them things even when they win because we wouldn't have played the perfect game, so with that I can teach them things from wins as well. And to me, that's a far better scenario.

But if you want me to choose one of your two options, then yes, of course I would choose the second one. But again, as I mentioned in a previous post, the risk is after every loss, if you are constantly teaching them, HOPING for improvement the next game...well time eventually runs out, and eventually you might have too many losses for it to matter any more. They can improve, but it may not be enough. So all I'm saying is I would rather win as many as I possibly can before it gets to the point I have to worry about whether or not the improvements they may show will be enough to help us win enough games the rest of the way.

They are in no way shape or form in dangerous territory in regards to that yet, but every loss brings you a step closer to that, and I'd rather not even find out what might happen if they are teetering that line at season's end. The more they win now, as their Coach, the less I have to worry about things later. Make sense??
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« Reply #114 on: December 01, 2019, 08:28:06 PM »
Please end your donations and stop buying tickets...that will show them who is boss.  My question to the crowd that thinks Al is still alive and it is 1977....do you still drive a Pinto?
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« Reply #115 on: December 01, 2019, 08:29:10 PM »
Is John Dawson on the roster? NOPE

There’s your answer “Elon.”

NOPE.  The only constant on the roster is the head coach.  There's your answer "Jables."

That aside, I'm as encouraged as a fan could be after today's beat down.  Bailey had a major breakthrough.  Jayce and Sacar had their best games.  Defense largely looks pretty good.  Yet we most likely are a 7-10 seed at best in Year 6 of the regime, a regime still looking for its first NCAA tournament win.  At some point moral victories need to stop, and winning big time games needs to start.


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« Reply #116 on: December 01, 2019, 08:29:23 PM »
What are Duke's and Kentucky's record and tournament sucess the last 5 years vs MU thats the question not one random game. Of course teams lose games over the course of a year. Silly arguement by you. Again.

So let me get this straight, a team with nothing but 5* players, Hall of Fame coaches can lose on their home court to mid majors, but MU losing to the 5th ranked team in the country on a neutral court is mediocre and just another example of mediocrity.

Silly argument by you.  AGAIN.

You know what would be a great idea.  Lose the best MU recruiting class in years....throw it away....get a new coach who simply will not stand for such mediocrity...MU can go to the corner coaching store and pick one up tomorrow who is sure to stay at MU for decades to deliver us the just deserts we all deserve.
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« Reply #117 on: December 01, 2019, 08:30:42 PM »
I mean, if you want the honest truth, I will give it to you...and that would be that I would rather they not put me in a position as a Coach where I'm harping on the same things all the time. That's as honest as I can be. See, the thing is, I can still teach them things even when they win because we wouldn't have played the perfect game, so with that I can teach them things from wins as well. And to me, that's a far better scenario.

But if you want me to choose one of your two options, then yes, of course I would choose the second one. But again, as I mentioned in a previous post, the risk is after every loss, if you are constantly teaching them, HOPING for improvement the next game...well time eventually runs out, and eventually you might have too many losses for it to matter any more. They can improve, but it may not be enough. So all I'm saying is I would rather win as many as I possibly can before it gets to the point I have to worry about whether or not the improvements they may show will be enough to help us win enough games the rest of the way.

They are in no way shape or form in dangerous territory in regards to that yet, but every loss brings you a step closer to that, and I'd rather not even find out what might happen if they are teetering that line at season's end. The more they win now, as their Coach, the less I have to worry about things later. Make sense??
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« Reply #118 on: December 01, 2019, 08:32:12 PM »
The scariest thing about this tournament is teams have 2 different patterns to shut down Howard.

USC used a very high zone to deny Howard and was fairly effective.

Maryland had a defender faceguard Markus 30 feet from the hoop.

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« Reply #119 on: December 01, 2019, 08:33:47 PM »
Excuse?

Please.  Take off your Buzz goggles, bro.  Not only did Buzz mail it in his final year at MU, he set the program back years, if not decades. 

Frankly, I'm not sure it's possible that the program can recover from Buzz's empty cupboard damage.  I mean, Lovell is trying, e.g., tearing down McCormick, building a new Rec Center, etc., but only time will tell.

I was really surprised that Buzz and his coaching acumen and wizardry couldn't pull off one win in this tournament.  Figured they would get Fairfield, but alas it is early.  Maybe they are tanking for a better draft pick.
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« Reply #120 on: December 01, 2019, 08:35:23 PM »
So let me get this straight, a team with nothing but 5* players, Hall of Fame coaches can lose on their home court to mid majors, but MU losing to the 5th ranked team in the country on a neutral court is mediocre and just another example of mediocrity.

Silly argument by you.  AGAIN.

You know what would be a great idea.  Lose the best MU recruiting class in years....throw it away....get a new coach who simply will not stand for such mediocrity...MU can go to the corner coaching store and pick one up tomorrow who is sure to stay at MU for decades to deliver us the just deserts we all deserve.
The point is dont cherry pick one game. Look at the big picture. Especially you, Mr. 5 years to Judge.

I never once advocated replacing Woj,  but nice try. Look at things objectively instead of always sticking your head up Wojo's ars.

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« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2019, 08:36:53 PM »
The scariest thing about this tournament is teams have 2 different patterns to shut down Howard.

USC used a very high zone to deny Howard and was fairly effective.

Maryland had a defender faceguard Markus 30 feet from the hoop.
wait, 50 points was fairly effective?
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« Reply #122 on: December 01, 2019, 08:37:04 PM »
The scariest thing about this tournament is teams have 2 different patterns to shut down Howard.

USC used a very high zone to deny Howard and was fairly effective.

Maryland had a defender faceguard Markus 30 feet from the hoop.

The same USC that Howard put up 51 in 32 minutes against?

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« Reply #123 on: December 01, 2019, 08:37:22 PM »
The scariest thing about this tournament is teams have 2 different patterns to shut down Howard.

USC used a very high zone to deny Howard and was fairly effective.

Maryland had a defender faceguard Markus 30 feet from the hoop.

Fairly effective? I think Markus scores 51(!) points. That’s...not very effective.
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« Reply #124 on: December 01, 2019, 08:38:23 PM »
NOPE.  The only constant on the roster is the head coach.  There's your answer "Jables."

That aside, I'm as encouraged as a fan could be after today's beat down.  Bailey had a major breakthrough.  Jayce and Sacar had their best games.  Defense largely looks pretty good.  Yet we most likely are a 7-10 seed at best in Year 6 of the regime, a regime still looking for its first NCAA tournament win.  At some point moral victories need to stop, and winning big time games needs to start.

Why in year 6 of Buzz under your other user names were you not hopping mad when we couldn't even get a 7-10 seed in the NIT, let alone the NCAA? 

And if winning those "big time" games that only you get to define doesn't start....what are YOU going to do about it?  Withhold the $100 annual donation?
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