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Benny B

Quote from: Boozemon Barro on October 29, 2019, 04:51:45 PM
How about you just tell us to inform the entire thread.

I guess some men don't want to learn to fish...

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Booster%20Guidelines%20with%20definitions.pdf

QuoteOnce a person, agency, business or other organization identified as a "representative of athletics interests," that person/entity retains that identity for life.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: muguru on October 29, 2019, 04:50:11 PM
Outstanding Senator Burr! Guess not everyone in government is for it!

Richard Burr
@SenatorBurr
If college athletes are going to make money off their likenesses while in school, their scholarships should be treated like income. I'll be introducing legislation that subjects scholarships given to athletes who choose to "cash in" to income taxes.

That's a great free market republican.  Very interesting
Guster is for Lovers

lawdog77

Quote from: muguru on October 29, 2019, 04:18:54 PM
You can already feel the "slimey" people licking their chops over this one...Example: Kentucky BB player is said to be a one and done, widely known. End of the season and declaration date comes...and shockingly, he doesn't declare. people are stunned. Find out a few weeks later it's announced he signed a NIL deal with Bob car dealership for 100K. Couldn't be simply because Bob, who happens to be a HUGE UK fan, did that just to get said player to stay at UK one more year, right?? SLIMEY. The NCAA would certainly think that was the case.
the ncaa press release specifically addresses this, no incentives to entice a kid to stay.at a school, or.entice to transfer.

Cheeks

Quote from: MU82 on October 29, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Good first step. Way to go, Cali, for getting the ball rolling on this, as well as the dozens of other states that are planning similar.

I am interested to see where this all goes, how a plan is implemented, etc. Everybody's still throwing warmup pitches at this point -- it's not even the first inning.

I don't know how it will end, and neither does anybody else here. The one thing I would bet on is that it will not "ruin" college sports, just as Title IX and so many other groundbreaking changes did not. Life is all about change.

Dabo? Just another effen hypocrite using athletes to rake in bazillions for himself.

Uh yeah, Dabo didn't help any of those kids make bazillions for themselves.....
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: #UnleashCain on October 29, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Nah they folded because a bit of legislation did what the ncaa should have done years and years ago.

Before you go off on how this will ruin the ncaa tangent that I already know is coming... Just take a breath, relax, and know that without a doubt college basketball will live on and everyone will be just fine. Times are changing old man, change with it.

I'm not going on any tangent, the proof will be in the details.  The NCAA will remain, who the winners and losers are is the important part.  How they set this up is critical.  There is a major concern for smaller schools, that has already been brought up by those in the industry...not just me.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
Lol

You want complete payment and treating them like employees and pros....that will ruin college sports entirely.  Laugh all you wish.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2019, 03:52:00 PM
The college model is a phrase coined to soothe the soul of old, White people

Racist ^^^^
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

Cheeks

Quote from: lawdog77 on October 29, 2019, 03:47:55 PM
Agreed. I feel its going to come down to whether or not the NCAA is willing to give up a large enough piece of the pie. If not state and/or federal legislation will mandate it. What the heck is the "college model" anyway?

Really?  You do have a MU education and so do others here.  Try to take one minute to think about it, including the vast vast vast vast majority of student athletes that do not play in revenue sports.  That will start you on your answer.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
That's a great free market republican.  Very interesting

It's more like treating them like everyone else...remember, your argument only a few days ago.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Pakuni

#85
Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
Uh yeah, Dabo didn't help any of those kids make bazillions for themselves.....

Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins and Grady Jarrett wouldn't be playing in the Arena League had they gone to a school other than Clemson.
These guys did more for Dabo's earnings than he did for theirs.

Pakuni

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
It's more like treating them like everyone else...remember, your argument only a few days ago.

That's not what Burr is suggesting. He's proposing taxing only the scholarships of athletes who profit off their likeness.
That's not treating them like everyone else, and could run afoul the Equal Protection Clause.

Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins and Grady Jarrett wouldn't be playing in the Arena League had they gone to a school other than Clemson.
These guys did more for Dabo's earnings than he did for theirs.

LOL.  I can give you tons of 4 star and 5 star cannot miss players that...wait for it...missed and flopped.

If the coach and program didn't matter, why bother paying coaches much at all?  Why do players gravitate to certain programs?  Because they develop players and put them in the pros.  It isn't a one way street as you imply.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2019, 05:50:56 PM
That's not what Burr is suggesting. He's proposing taxing only the scholarships of athletes who profit off their likeness.
That's not treating them like everyone else, and could run afoul the Equal Protection Clause.

You want to be treated like an employee as so many of you desire and insist is and should be the case, then time to pay the piper and have that value taxed.  Problem is so many here want to have their cake and eat it, too.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

#UnleashSean

Quote from: muguru on October 29, 2019, 04:50:11 PM
Outstanding Senator Burr! Guess not everyone in government is for it!

Richard Burr
@SenatorBurr
If college athletes are going to make money off their likenesses while in school, their scholarships should be treated like income. I'll be introducing legislation that subjects scholarships given to athletes who choose to "cash in" to income taxes.

LOL talk about a reaction that stupid

lawdog77

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 05:45:44 PM
Really?  You do have a MU education and so do others here.  Try to take one minute to think about it, including the vast vast vast vast majority of student athletes that do not play in revenue sports.  That will start you on your answer.
I couldn't care less about the men's and women's lacrosse teams, tennis teams etc. If the basketball team makes the money, they should keep it. Same goes for football. If a school cannot afford the other sports, relegate them to club sports, or find the nmoney elsewhere.

Boozemon Barro

Quote from: Benny B on October 29, 2019, 04:56:28 PM
I guess some men don't want to learn to fish...

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Booster%20Guidelines%20with%20definitions.pdf

Ah well I guess that eliminates any current fans that have donated. Could still impact fans considering donating for the first time. The NCAA is already overburdened trying to enforce their current regulations.  I don't foresee a new batch of regulations solving the core issue, which is fans wanting to pay players to play for their team. So much easier to embrace it and just let them get paid by whoever wants to pay them for whatever reason.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 06:00:06 PM
LOL.  I can give you tons of 4 star and 5 star cannot miss players that...wait for it...missed and flopped.

If the coach and program didn't matter, why bother paying coaches much at all?  Why do players gravitate to certain programs?  Because they develop players and put them in the pros.  It isn't a one way street as you imply.

Please just explain why coaches should be paid millions and players nothing.

Boozemon Barro

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
You want to be treated like an employee as so many of you desire and insist is and should be the case, then time to pay the piper and have that value taxed.  Problem is so many here want to have their cake and eat it, too.

Yep and I think the universities should be treated as employers as well. They should be the ones paying players since they get the most value out of them. They should have to compete against the other universities for players without limits on what the players can earn.

Pakuni

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 06:00:06 PM
LOL.  I can give you tons of 4 star and 5 star cannot miss players that...wait for it...missed and flopped.

If the coach and program didn't matter, why bother paying coaches much at all?  Why do players gravitate to certain programs?  Because they develop players and put them in the pros.  It isn't a one way street as you imply.

None of this supports your contention that Dabo earned players bazillions of dollars.

Pakuni

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Problem is so many here want to have their cake and eat it, too.

Self Awareness Level = Zero

muguru

Quote from: Boozemon Barro on October 29, 2019, 06:06:41 PM
Yep and I think the universities should be treated as employers as well. They should be the ones paying players since they get the most value out of them. They should have to compete against the other universities for players without limits on what the players can earn.

So as employees(the student athletes), the employer(the University), can fire them too, right?? That's part of an employee-employer relationship. The first time that happened, all of you would be crying about how unfair that is to the athlete, etc etc etc
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Boozemon Barro

Quote from: muguru on October 29, 2019, 06:17:01 PM
So as employees(the student athletes), the employer(the University), can fire them too, right?? That's part of an employee-employer relationship. The first time that happened, all of you would be crying about how unfair that is to the athlete, etc etc etc

I'm guessing there would be a contract like in every pro sport, and no I would not be crying. Just like I didn't cry when Marquette players in the past were processed. They'd be paid to perform and if they don't perform they gots to go.

Cheeks

Quote from: #UnleashCain on October 29, 2019, 06:03:31 PM
Please just explain why coaches should be paid millions and players nothing.

Because student athletes are receiving tremendous value in other ways....a college degree worth $2M over its lifetime, training, etc, etc.  Should regular students be paid since teachers are?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

#UnleashSean

Quote from: Cheeks on October 29, 2019, 06:52:35 PM
Because student athletes are receiving tremendous value in other ways....a college degree worth $2M over its lifetime, training, etc, etc.  Should regular students be paid since teachers are?

Regular students do not provide revenue for the school. Your comparison is idiotic

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