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Author Topic: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players  (Read 10217 times)

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #550 on: September 21, 2019, 02:22:09 PM »
I am in favor of the college model, which is a socialist model, where many student athletes benefit despite no one going to their games or caring how they do, because others care about football or basketball. That is 100% correct.  After years of working with those kids, you damn well better believe it.  If the revenue sports kid thinks he is getting jilted, go pro. 

This is the reality in many businesses.  I work in a revenue generating dept, but thousands of people do not...should those people be put to pasture because they are in support roles or do not directly drive revenue?  I don’t think so.

Jesus, that’s amazing
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« Reply #551 on: September 21, 2019, 03:35:50 PM »
Jesus, that’s amazing

Yes, and has worked for many years educating and providing opportunities for hundreds of thousands of kids every year....kids you don’t give a damn about.
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #552 on: September 21, 2019, 03:56:56 PM »
Yes, and has worked for many years educating and providing opportunities for hundreds of thousands of kids every year....kids you don’t give a damn about.

I do care about those kids.  They can all earn off their likeness.  It’s a great opportunity for them to earn off their skills, an opportunity many won’t have beyond college
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #553 on: September 21, 2019, 04:24:31 PM »

Still not ignoring me

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #554 on: September 21, 2019, 04:28:57 PM »
I do care about those kids.  They can all earn off their likeness.  It’s a great opportunity for them to earn off their skills, an opportunity many won’t have beyond college

The non revenue kids for which you don’t give a damn and they will lose their opportunities eventually as athletic departments will have to make cuts. 
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« Reply #555 on: September 21, 2019, 04:31:51 PM »
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #556 on: September 21, 2019, 04:32:53 PM »
The non revenue kids for which you don’t give a damn and they will lose their opportunities eventually as athletic departments will have to make cuts.

They won’t have to make cuts. 
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #557 on: September 21, 2019, 05:42:32 PM »
The non revenue kids for which you don’t give a damn and they will lose their opportunities eventually as athletic departments will have to make cuts.

1. This remains nothing more than speculation on your part, no matter how many times you repeat it.

2. There are lots of places for athletic departments to make cuts that don't effect scholarship money. How about we start with administrators' and coaches' salaries? Is there some logical reason that coaching salaries in nonrevenue sports went up 43 percent between 2013 and 2018? If it's really about the kids and their precious opportunities, as you like to say, there's no way schools will cut their scholarships instead of cutting other costs, right?

3. Not getting a portion of your college education paid for because you're good at water polo or cross country is not a tragedy. As you like to point out, these kids are a net loss the for university anyhow and need to be propped up by their more successful peers. For the kids who truly need the aid and are worthy of admission, the money will be there in other forms.

4. Life's not fair, or so someone likes to say.

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« Reply #558 on: September 21, 2019, 09:47:50 PM »
I do know that. Im just curious because there's a lot more public evidence against manning than there is against the mu players. I happen to think that both allegations are credible,  I'm just curious why the Buzz allegations are the only ones you seem to find credible

Do you think it might be because Peyton Manning is a national figure and that is quite different for the MU situation?  I sure do.    I just find it interesting that someone can come out of the woodwork decades later and make a claim against someone....people literally RUSH to believe them.  Someone comes out to claim it didn't happen, and of course that person should not be believed....truly amazing.
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #559 on: September 21, 2019, 09:50:33 PM »
I don't know that she changed her story.
Maybe because his family has done their best to drag her through the mud for 20 years?
No, it's not he said, she said. There are other eyewitnesses who support her account.
I've never written anything here about a highly politicized confirmation, so I'm at loss to understand what you're talking about or what it has to do with Peyton Manning.

She did change it and admitted she changed it. 
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #560 on: September 21, 2019, 09:52:02 PM »
You said “merchandise.”  They are intentionally not selling jerseys to prevent controversy anyway. Very simple reason.

Point is, jerseys sold with numbers.....very small number.  UW-madison extension total sales of merchandise is tied to everything that says Wisconsin, has Becky on it, has a W on it....whether it is athletics related or not.
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« Reply #561 on: September 21, 2019, 09:54:14 PM »
Against my better judgment, I spent some time this morning searching his posts.  These stuck out.  To answer your questions....


I would think if you have two browsers open, they would come from the same source....yes? 


Please explain how I would have this as a California resident...an email to an Illinois resident regarding funds for Illinois residents?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58901.msg1144803#msg1144803


He takes a dig at me for my crapshoot comments.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58462.msg1114019#msg1114019


As for the posting times, here is one that appears seconds apart.  I'm sure I can find others, but didn't have the time

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1082961#msg1082961


Parking at All State Arena, a place I have never been to in my life let alone would know a parking alert was in place.  Are parking alerts for Chicago sent here to So. Cal?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57859.msg1090863#msg1090863


Kind of figured there would be no response to this.



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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #562 on: September 21, 2019, 09:56:22 PM »
Do you think it might be because Peyton Manning is a national figure and that is quite different for the MU situation?  I sure do.    I just find it interesting that someone can come out of the woodwork decades later and make a claim against someone....people literally RUSH to believe them.  Someone comes out to claim it didn't happen, and of course that person should not be believed....truly amazing.

Let’s cut to the chase. Everyone knows the reason you give Peyton the benefit of the doubt is because he is white. The reason you don’t the MU players is because they aren’t.

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #563 on: September 21, 2019, 11:39:05 PM »
Do you think it might be because Peyton Manning is a national figure and that is quite different for the MU situation?  I sure do.    I just find it interesting that someone can come out of the woodwork decades later and make a claim against someone....people literally RUSH to believe them.  Someone comes out to claim it didn't happen, and of course that person should not be believed....truly amazing.

.....my point is that you literally RUSH to believe the survivor in the MU case and literally RUSH to defend every other accused rapist. I just find the dichotomy interesting.

Also, do you reread old pages of threads to make sure that you didn't miss anything that you could argue with? Between the post you quoted here and your response you posted 24 times on other points before circling back to this one.
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #564 on: September 21, 2019, 11:41:40 PM »
You said “merchandise.”  They are intentionally not selling jerseys to prevent controversy anyway. Very simple reason.

The "merchandise" includes all university related items, shirts, shorts, backpacks, pens, pencils, erasers. Universities assign that revenue to sports as a way to cook the books to make it appear as if the athletic department isn't losing as much money as they are.

Most of that gear has nothing to do with athletics at all.

They are not selling jerseys, because they won't sell. Kids don't want to buy football jerseys for college kids that will be gone in 4 years or less. It has nothing to do with "controversy".

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #565 on: September 21, 2019, 11:53:40 PM »

Kind of figured there would be no response to this.



Probably because you dropped a whole page worth of posts by yourself since then so it got buried and everyone missed it. But since you asked.

Against my better judgment, I spent some time this morning searching his posts.  These stuck out.  To answer your questions....


I would think if you have two browsers open, they would come from the same source....yes? 


Please explain how I would have this as a California resident...an email to an Illinois resident regarding funds for Illinois residents?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58901.msg1144803#msg1144803


1. I don't know your life. For all I know you have property there.
2. I did a quick google search and it's posted several places online.

He takes a dig at me for my crapshoot comments.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58462.msg1114019#msg1114019

You wouldn't be the first poster to have a conversation with himself on Scoop. In fact, if I understand the Hoopaloop scandal correctly (before my time) it wouldn't be the first time you have had a conversation with yourself on Scoop.

As for the posting times, here is one that appears seconds apart.  I'm sure I can find others, but didn't have the time

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1082961#msg1082961

Two browsers logged into different accounts

Parking at All State Arena, a place I have never been to in my life let alone would know a parking alert was in place.  Are parking alerts for Chicago sent here to So. Cal?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57859.msg1090863#msg1090863

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Now, normally I would say, you're right, it would be crazy to think someone would be this committed to selling a lie about having a second account on college basketball forum. But then again you just took time out of your day to do a deep dive on someone else's post history to either debunk or protect that same lie, so for you it may be plausible!
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« Reply #566 on: September 22, 2019, 12:23:15 AM »

Now, normally I would say, you're right, it would be crazy to think someone would be this committed to selling a lie about having a second account on college basketball forum. But then again you just took time out of your day to do a deep dive on someone else's post history to either debunk or protect that same lie, so for you it may be plausible!

Which I could have done many times earlier, but never did because it wasn’t worth it.  But one gets tired of the accusations.

First it was Billy Hoyle, and finally the numb nuts here finally started to back off that one.  It was time for this one to back off, too.

No, I don’t own property in Illinois.  We do in Wisconsin, however, and Pennsylvania...now you know more about my life.

If two browsers were open up, they would still have same source, correct?  Well, since I know I was in California and i’m 100.00% sure he wasn’t in my house with me, one would think two different sources...but whatever.

He appears to have a daughter in school...I have a daughter in high school, not college.  Two weeks ago he posted when when I was in a clean, lock down environment we call it....no mobile phones or laptops allowed...high security.  I could go on.  I’ve offered a charity solution, no one ever wants to do it. 

Hope the baby shower went well last week per your post.  Peace
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #567 on: September 22, 2019, 02:19:59 AM »
I’ve offered a charity solution, no one ever wants to do it. 

There's a reason for that, I'll see if you can figure it out.  ;)
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #568 on: September 22, 2019, 08:28:25 AM »
Let’s cut to the chase. Everyone knows the reason you give Peyton the benefit of the doubt is because he is white. The reason you don’t the MU players is because they aren’t.
Duh! All white people hate black people.

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« Reply #569 on: September 22, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »
.Also, do you reread old pages of threads to make sure that you didn't miss anything that you could argue with? Between the post you quoted here and your response you posted 24 times on other points before circling back to this one.
More than 50 posts in one day.  It's like he is, I dunno, mentally unbalanced.
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« Reply #570 on: September 22, 2019, 10:32:50 AM »
The "merchandise" includes all university related items, shirts, shorts, backpacks, pens, pencils, erasers. Universities assign that revenue to sports as a way to cook the books to make it appear as if the athletic department isn't losing as much money as they are.

Most of that gear has nothing to do with athletics at all.

They are not selling jerseys, because they won't sell. Kids don't want to buy football jerseys for college kids that will be gone in 4 years or less. It has nothing to do with "controversy".


Yes it does.  I can guaranty you that D1 schools have shied away from selling jerseys due to avoiding the "profiting off others' likeness" controversy.  You don't even see "classic" jersies like you do in the NFL for that reason.

From a few years ago that backs up this up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/sports/ncaafootball/days-of-selling-popular-college-players-jerseys-seem-numbered.html

"Last year, any Ohio State fan could buy an officially licensed Buckeyes football jersey bearing No. 97. Though N.C.A.A. rules prohibit colleges from selling jerseys with players’ names on them, Ohio State fans understood what a scarlet jersey with a white 97 meant: a tribute to the star defensive end Joey Bosa, who wears the number when the Buckeyes play.

But as a federal court deliberates on whether it is fair for universities to make money off the commercial use of athletes’ names, images and likenesses, a growing number of colleges have quietly decided to stop selling team jerseys with popular players’ numbers."

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“It’s philosophical — where we should be,” Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith said of his department’s decision to limit the jerseys it sells. He cited the O’Bannon case and “other issues,” adding, “We felt it was the right time.”
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« Reply #571 on: September 22, 2019, 10:33:46 AM »
Duh! All white people hate black people.

I don't think Chicos is racist.  Chicos is a guy who clearly believes powerful people and organizations versus those who aren't.
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« Reply #572 on: September 22, 2019, 10:45:48 AM »
.....my point is that you literally RUSH to believe the survivor in the MU case and literally RUSH to defend every other accused rapist. I just find the dichotomy interesting.


Could it possibly be because I and others had a bit more info than the avg bear on this one, and the actions taken by certain people. 

I also find it interesting that you guys RUSH to believe the victim when it involves certain people or ideologies.

As Dave Chappelle so humorously stated.... justice for juicy

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« Reply #573 on: September 22, 2019, 11:45:06 AM »
Could it possibly be because I and others had a bit more info than the avg bear on this one, and the actions taken by certain people. 

I also find it interesting that you guys RUSH to believe the victim when it involves certain people or ideologies.

As Dave Chappelle so humorously stated.... justice for juicy

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« Reply #574 on: September 22, 2019, 11:56:04 AM »
Who are you guys?

And who/what are certain people and ideologies?