NFL Thread 2019-2020

[Jockey]

Too early to tell IMO.  I have been impressed in some ways with the offense.  There are plenty of tricks and wrinkles.  Murray has been pretty good, but he has a great RB, an incredible safety blanket WR, and an offense people need to figure out.  He seems to do a lot of throw and pray at times.  Ive yet to watch him and be like "this is a star in the making".   I was more impressed with early Mahomes and Watson play, than Murray, for comparison.  Doesn't mean he wont be a good starter though.

Great post. You covered it pretty well. The thing that concerns me most, though, is his size. Breees and Wilson are sub- six foot QBs, but Murray looks way smaller than either.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

And I am the problem...

Yes

[Pakuni]

Great post. You covered it pretty well. The thing that concerns me most, though, is his size. Breees and Wilson are sub- six foot QBs, but Murray looks way smaller than either.

Cardinals have been blessed with a fairly easy schedule so far when it comes to opponents' defense, also.
So far, their opponents' defensive ranks are 11th, 13th, 20th, 26th, 27th and 31st.

[Uncle Rico]

I agree, which is why I never bought into the off-season hype.

As a recovering Packers fan, I decided to adopt the Browns a few years back so I've watched them quite a bit.  The head coach is in over his head and the front office did a lot of good things this off-season but neglecting the o-line will haunt them all year.

Mayfield is uber-confident and talented but really came into his own under Lincoln Riley and he could use a guy like that.  Kitchens simply isn't that or at least has not shown it yet.  The Browns would be wise to make sure his development isn't stunted from bad coaching.  Play-calling in the red zone is shaky at best.

As far as the o-line is concerned, QBs can be shell shocked for their career behind poor lines or at least that's my opinion.  I look back at David Carr with Houston as an example.  In today's NFL, the rules are such that a defense has to be able to pressure a QB on a regular basis or they'll get picked apart.  The Browns line simply isn't good enough to provide adequate time on a regular basis and it's the one thing that stunts a QB and offenses

[forgetful]

Huh ....?

Was trying to be funny, in that to me, it would be more reasonable to discuss whether the Panthers would be better with or without Cam Marotta, then it is to discuss them with Cam Newton.

My humor failed. I apologize to the board, Cam Marotta, and the world.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It was nice of the Lions to let The Corpse of Jimmy Graham off the hook.

[jesmu84]

Refs imposing their will in the 2nd half.

[Dish]

Man, Trey Flowers got jobbed hard tonight. Twice.

[Pakuni]

Refs imposing their will in the 2nd half.

Holy home cooking.
Three terrible calls.

[WarriorDad]

Lions was robbed.  Hands to the face on 3rd down sack, would have resulted in punt and instead a TD for Green Bay.

That was bad.

[The Sultan]

Ah well.

[Dish]

That's absolutely brutal. To call the same foul, same guy, twice, neither a real penalty, one at just a crucial moment...absolutely brutal.

[MU82]

On the second one, if you watch the replay right from the beginning, the Packers' OT has his hands up in Flowers' face/neck area.

It sucks, but Lions did have chances to win that game.

[CreightonWarrior]

Looked like the right calls to me! 

[Dish]

I thought Detroit was the better team out there tonight. They made the mistake of getting field goals instead of TD's.

That Umpire should be suspended, or at least barred from the postseason. Watching these replays, it's unfathomable to me someone can make the exact same call, within 9 minutes of game play, with a player like Flowers who has never committed that penalty. How the ref, staring at same players on both replays, didn't overrule is absurd.

[forgetful]

That's absolutely brutal. To call the same foul, same guy, twice, neither a real penalty, one at just a crucial moment...absolutely brutal.

The first was actually a penalty. The first replay they played, showed his hand slip off his shoulder pads and get under his facemask. That is what drew the flag. On later replays they cut it off before it happened.

The second one was not hands to the face, and they missed a hands to the face on Baktiari.

[Dish]

The first was actually a penalty. The first replay they played, showed his hand slip off his shoulder pads and get under his facemask. That is what drew the flag. On later replays they cut it off before it happened.

The second one was not hands to the face, and they missed a hands to the face on Baktiari.

I beg to differ.

[Pakuni]

The first was actually a penalty. The first replay they played, showed his hand slip off his shoulder pads and get under his facemask. That is what drew the flag. On later replays they cut it off before it happened.

The second one was not hands to the face, and they missed a hands to the face on Baktiari.

Both calls were wrong.
As was the missed pass interference.
As was the missed 13 men on the field call earlier in the game.

The only reason not to investigate whether there were some Tim Donaghy-like shenanigans here is that no one would believe NFL officials are competent enough to pull that off.

[GB Warrior]

Both calls were wrong.
As was the missed pass interference.
As was the missed 13 men on the field call earlier in the game.

The only reason not to investigate whether there were some Tim Donaghy-like shenanigans here is that no one would believe NFL officials are competent enough to pull that off.

I was watching on mute - what was the missed too many men on the field penalty?

[wadesworld]

I thought Detroit was the better team out there tonight. They made the mistake of getting field goals instead of TD's.

That Umpire should be suspended, or at least barred from the postseason. Watching these replays, it's unfathomable to me someone can make the exact same call, within 9 minutes of game play, with a player like Flowers who has never committed that penalty. How the ref, staring at same players on both replays, didn't overrule is absurd.

Didn't feel like the Lions were the better team to me. Part of football is scoring touchdowns, especially when you have a short field all night.

The Lions had 299 total yards. They had a 70 yard play on their first possession and a 58 yard play on their second possession. Other than those two chunk plays they did absolutely nothing offensively. They did take advantage of the Packers inexperienced backup WRs giving the ball up twice and turned it into some good field position.

Packers had 150 total yards more, 120 more rushing yards, 22 first downs to the Lions 13, and won the time of possession battle. Only phase of the game the Lions won was the turnover battle.

[Pakuni]

I was watching on mute - what was the missed too many men on the field penalty?

Packers D had 13 men on the field for a play in the 2nd quarter.  No penalty.

http://pic.twitter.com/nq4dHP73DT

[forgetful]

I beg to differ.

If you watch the first play, way way late (most replays cut out way before it), his hand slips up under the facemask. It was only evident in one of the replays all game (and none afterwards), and even in that one it was only in the last 0.5 seconds of the replay. Just played it twice more. Definitely comes free at the end (before the flag came out). Kind of punches him up in the right side of the facemask/ear hole.

Obviously can't prove it. Also can't prove if that is what the official saw, or if he threw the flag before that.

[wadesworld]

Packers D had 13 men on the field for a play in the 2nd quarter.  No penalty.

http://pic.twitter.com/nq4dHP73DT

You got fake newsed. Unless GB came out of the timeout with 13 men, and kept 13 men on the field after a Detroit false start. Or maybe they had 11, false start Detroit, and slipped 2 guys onto the field.

[Pakuni]

You got fake newsed. Unless GB came out of the timeout with 13 men, and kept 13 men on the field after a Detroit false start. Or maybe they had 11, false start Detroit, and slipped 2 guys onto the field.

When the defense has more than 11 men in formation before the snap, it's a dead ball foul and should have been flagged before the false start.

[Dish]

If you watch the first play, way way late (most replays cut out way before it), his hand slips up under the facemask. It was only evident in one of the replays all game (and none afterwards), and even in that one it was only in the last 0.5 seconds of the replay. Just played it twice more. Definitely comes free at the end (before the flag came out). Kind of punches him up in the right side of the facemask/ear hole.

Obviously can't prove it. Also can't prove if that is what the official saw, or if he threw the flag before that.

I just watched it in real time on my DVR again on the first penalty. It's an egregious call by the umpire. He has all shoulder pad and then hair. Worst of all, the umpire throws the flag after the play is over and the play is 4 feet from the umpire. That is no way hands to the face.

If that play happened on its own, it happens, but same official 9 minutes later with same call on same player is garbage. Detroit still needs to score TDs. The officiating fiascos have to stop.