NFL Thread 2019-2020

[Uncle Rico]

Who's in over their head more?

Nagy or Kitchens?

Kitchens, I think.  Penalties and turnovers are bad in Cleveland.  Turnovers can be fluky but Cleveland lacks discipline

[Dish]

This will never happen, but if I were the Bears GM, I'd call Indy tonight and offer Mack for their 2020 first, and their two 2020 second round picks (their own and Washington's).

This isn't an indictment on Mack, but the gamble they took didn't hit. Rather than wind up in long term purgatory with Mack eating up cap space as you try to find yet another QB, get out now. At the time of the trade, I said if Mitch sucks, the impact of Mack doesn't mean much.

They would never do it.

[Hards Alumni]

This will never happen, but if I were the Bears GM, I'd call Indy tonight and offer Mack for their 2020 first, and their two 2020 second round picks (their own and Washington's).

This isn't an indictment on Mack, but the gamble they took didn't hit. Rather than wind up in long term purgatory with Mack eating up cap space as you try to find yet another QB, get out now. At the time of the trade, I said if Mitch sucks, the impact of Mack doesn't mean much.

They would never do it.

The day you are offering picks for players you have already lost.

You can't dig yourself out of this hole.

ask the team from Washington DC.

[dgies9156]

Was one of the 61,500 suckers at Soldier Field today.

It was a great day to be outside. The fighter flyover was nice. It was a perfect fall day.

Then a really bad football game broke out. The Bears need to go back to Ground Zero. Trubisky isn't working. At least not with Nagy, a so called "offensive genius." Trubisky at times showed flashes of greatness and at times led us to wonder whether there was an emotional breakdown in grade school football. Four times the team was inside the 5. Four field goals. You don't win that way.

The amazing thing is Trubisky showed enough to almost pull it out. But the coach either didn't trust him or his offense. Ten yards closer and that last field goal was an automatic

[MU82]

I was busy watching Kyle Allen turn back into a pumpkin and look like a guy who is ready to turn the Panthers back over to Newton if Cam is healthy.

So I didn't see until later that Nagy opted to kick a 41-yard FG on second down with 40-some seconds left on the clock rather than trying to get closer -- even though the kicker had already missed from 33.

That's some horrific coaching, and it doesn't bode well for a team that suddenly looks like it has major, major holes to fill.

As for my Panthers ... I'm certainly not saying the Panthers' 475 to negative-11 loss at San Fran was Allen's "fault." They were outplayed in every category. He's simply not better than Newton if Cam's legs and shoulder are sound.

From the Charlotte Observer:

Quarterback Kyle Allen, who had led the Panthers to a 4-0 record while filling in for Newton, revealed his warts in full. After going 159 attempts without throwing an interception, Allen threw a pass far behind a crossing Curtis Samuel and almost straight to cornerback Emmanuel Moseley early in the second quarter. That set San Francisco up from the Carolina 27-yard line, leading to two 49ers runs for a combined 17 yards and then Coleman's second touchdown of the afternoon on a 10-yard reception.

But once the interception dam cracked, it burst. Allen only made it another 20 attempts before his second interception of the day, which went right to a stationary Richard Sherman. And after another 49ers score — that time to make it 41-13 — Allen threw a third interception his very next attempt.

Mrs. 82 and I are going to next Sunday's game. We're hoping Cam is ready to roll.

[Cheeks]

Kyle Allen and his team lost to 7-0 San Francisco 49ers.  He threw his first 3 interceptions of the year.  Yup, against that defense the warts will come out.

Allen led his team with a 88.5 passer rating filling in, including a win over the Tampa Bay Bucs that Cam's team lost to when he was at the helm.


Cam Newton has a 71.0 passer rating this year, including a loss to the 2-5 Tampa Bay Bucs.  What's strange is Cam's warts against no team of anywhere close to the level of the 49ers.

Good job Allen.  You did what you were supposed to do.  Now take your clipboard and suck it up, the king is returning and hopefully will get his first win at the helm in a year's time. 

[MU82]

Kyle Allen and his team lost to 7-0 San Francisco 49ers.  He threw his first 3 interceptions of the year.  Yup, against that defense the warts will come out.

Allen led his team with a 88.5 passer rating filling in, including a win over the Tampa Bay Bucs that Cam's team lost to when he was at the helm.


Cam Newton has a 71.0 passer rating this year, including a loss to the 2-5 Tampa Bay Bucs.  What's strange is Cam's warts against no team of anywhere close to the level of the 49ers.

Good job Allen.  You did what you were supposed to do.  Now take your clipboard and suck it up, the king is returning and hopefully will get his first win at the helm in a year's time.

Ignoring the irritant who hasn't seen 3 minutes of Panthers football.

[The Sultan]

Andy Reid is making Mike Petrine look like a fool.

[Jockey]

Andy Reid is making Mike Petrine look like a fool.

Out coached on both sides of the ball. Can't cover. Can't tackle.

KC runs the same thing. Over and over. No GB adjustments.

[Jockey]

238 yards in a half to Matt Moore led team. Brutal.

[CreightonWarrior]

Mahomes is clearly a system QB

[WarriorDad]

That last drive of the half is the perfect Trubisky/Nagy drive. Summarizes them perfectly.

Had my doubts about this guy here last year when they dropped the Packers game at home.  Nagy's strategies are unexplainable.  Not particularly vested with Bears, but hard not to take notice of his decisions.

[The Sultan]

Mahomes is clearly a system QB

Lol.

[wadesworld]

I think it's more about the weapons each team has. KC fears absolutely no receiving options the Packers have with Davante out, nor should they. They can pin their ears back and blitz all night knowing nobody the Packers have can beat them 1 on 1. The opposite is true of the Chiefs. 3 guys who can beat defenders with speed spread over the field and then Kelce over the middle.

[forgetful]

I think it's more about the weapons each team has. KC fears absolutely no receiving options the Packers have with Davante our, not should they. They can pin their ears back and blitz all night knowing nobody the Packers have can beat them 1 on 1. The opposite is true of the Chiefs. 3 guys who can beat defenders with speed spread over the field and then Kelce over the middle.

This. And if they decide to drop back into coverage there is no one on GB that can really get themselves open.

[Dish]

That TD throw and catch was ridiculous. That was awesome, what an eff'n throw by Rodgers.

[CreightonWarrior]

Is there nothing else to show that they need to show shots of Mahomes every other play?

[The Sultan]

No adjustments defensively. Matt Moore carves them up again. Really poorly coached by Pettine.

[Jockey]

This. And if they decide to drop back into coverage there is no one on GB that can really get themselves open.

They're not facing Mahomes. Pettine has coached scared the entire game. Maybe just once try to disrupt the QBs timing. Short passes into soft coverage with no pass rush will lose this game.

Andy is showing why he is a top 3 coach.

[The Sultan]

Reid punting there was an awful decision.

[CreightonWarrior]

I knew the chiefs wouldn't see the ball again. Did Reid not know the injury situation of his defense?

[forgetful]

They're not facing Mahomes. Pettine has coached scared the entire game. Maybe just once try to disrupt the QBs timing. Short passes into soft coverage with no pass rush will lose this game.

Andy is showing why he is a top 3 coach.

Andy got out-coached in the 2nd half, by a first year coach.

[CreightonWarrior]

A virtually perfect 2nd half for the offense.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Is there nothing else to show that they need to show shots of Mahomes every other play?

The was insane, wasn't it? 

[Jockey]

Reid punting there was an awful decision.

Yes.

And, Lefleur had a great 2nd half.