NFL Thread 2019-2020

[forgetful]

Let's say it's nowhere near 90%.

Let's say it's 50% or 33% or 25% or, as the guy in the 538 article said, "probably more in the 20 to 30 percent range."

Only a truly soft person would refuse to have their kids risk a 3-in-10 or 1-5 chance at CTE.

Soft losers. Next thing you know, they won't let their kids play in traffic.

More recent data says across all individuals there is a 6% chance you will have CTE. For people that play football beyond high school (college or NFL) it rises to around 19%, with it more prevalent the longer you play.

Your argument stands. Playing football beyond high school increases your chance of developing CTE by at least 3-fold.

[Cheeks]

More recent data says across all individuals there is a 6% chance you will have CTE. For people that play football beyond high school (college or NFL) it rises to around 19%, with it more prevalent the longer you play.

Your argument stands. Playing football beyond high school increases your chance of developing CTE by at least 3-fold.

Actually 10% to 19%.  And that is also based on players playing with older technology. 

It is improper to say players of today will have 3X the rate, because we don't know what the improvements made will do.

More categorically sad is the media running around with the 99% claim as they did and people believe if that bullshyte.   I was waiting for someone to produce that article, I wasn't disappointed for long. 

[forgetful]

Actually 10% to 19%.  And that is also based on players playing with older technology. 

It is improper to say players of today will have 3X the rate, because we don't know what the improvements made will do.

More categorically sad is the media running around with the 99% claim as they did and people believe if that bullshyte.   I was waiting for someone to produce that article, I wasn't disappointed for long.

My apologies. I only read the lay-person summary of the most recent data, where it said 19%.

I did go back and look at the original source material (should have done that the first time). The actual study shows that 47% of individuals that played football beyond high school had brain tissue consistent with CTE. Simply playing high school football doubled the risk of developing CTE.

It was actually significantly worse than I had thought, and significantly worse than the conservative estimate that MU82 had supposed.

[4everwarriors]

Neither is good; could see the game going any number of ways.

Just saw Jennifer Lopez and Shakira are doing the halftime show at the Super Bowl. I approve.

Don't no if ya kan sey dis heer, butt, Lopez' tuchus is two big, aina?

[tower912]

One play, one call, can change the arc of a season.    IMO, that just happened to the Lions.    We will see if they are resilient enough to bounce back.   

[forgetful]

One play, one call, can change the arc of a season.    IMO, that just happened to the Lions.    We will see if they are resilient enough to bounce back.   

Thought the same thing. Really tough sequence.

[jesmu84]

No Smith and no Hicks vs Vikings run. Yikes.

[tower912]

One play, one call, can change the arc of a season.    IMO, that just happened to the Lions.    We will see if they are resilient enough to bounce back.   

Or two calls.

[forgetful]

Or two calls.

They seem to keep stepping back up. Pretty cool play by Coleman, where he actually intentionally let the player get up so he could go for the strip.

[StillAWarrior]

So, what should the NFL do about Vontaze Burfict?  Honestly, that hit should result in a six-figure fine and a multiple game suspension; it should cost him seven figures.  He either needs to be made to understand that you can't deliver hits like that, or he needs to be out of the league.


Edited to add another link with more views.

[forgetful]

So, what should the NFL do about Vontaze Burfict?  Honestly, that hit should result in a six-figure fine and a multiple game suspension; it should cost him seven figures.  He either needs to be made to understand that you can't deliver hits like that, or he needs to be out of the league.

Because of his history that looks worse than it is. The hit on Williams (packers) on Thursday was significantly more heinous.

[StillAWarrior]

Because of his history that looks worse than it is. The hit on Williams (packers) on Thursday was significantly more heinous.

But you cannot ignore the history.  And it was really bad.  I didn't see the game the other night, so I can't comment on it.  I don't doubt it.  I posted another link in the original post with more views of the Burfict hit.  Like I said, it was really bad.


Edited to add:  just watched the hit on Williams.  You were right.  Awful, awful hit.

[wadesworld]

So, what should the NFL do about Vontaze Burfict?  Honestly, that hit should result in a six-figure fine and a multiple game suspension; it should cost him seven figures.  He either needs to be made to understand that you can't deliver hits like that, or he needs to be out of the league.


Edited to add another link with more views.

Suspend him for the year. As blatant of head hunting and launching as you'll see from a guy who clearly hasn't learned his lesson.

[Dish]

Mitch maybe done for a while.

[MU82]

Big win for my Panthers. I know none of y'all watched the game, but ESPN and others will be including final-drive plays by McCaffrey and Allen on plays of the week. No such thing as a bad road win, and Houston is not a bad team. Thrilled to be back to 2-2 given the circumstance.

[JWags85]

Because of his history that looks worse than it is. The hit on Williams (packers) on Thursday was significantly more heinous.

How was the hit on Williams worse? It was just dumb and late. He didn't spear him with his head down or try to maim him. More stupid football like pushing a guy who crossed the sideline 2 steps before.

Burfict literally tried to take Doyle's head off. Current personal foul hits are for contact to the head, leading with the helmet, or launching your body. He did all 3.

[JWags85]

Mitch maybe done for a while.

Given the weapons on offense, just needing someone who can reliably get the ball to Robinson/Miller/Cohen/Montgomery, Daniels is probably not a huge step back given Mitch's accuracy issues so far this year

[Jockey]

Mitch maybe done for a while.

That could help Chicago. Daniels is the better QB.

Trubisky has more physical skills. Daniels has more football skills.

[Jay Bee]

Don't no if ya kan sey dis heer, butt, Lopez' tuchus is two big, aina?

Maybe for u bro

[Anti-Dentite]

To the surprise of nobody but the Vikings, Kirk Cousins is not the answer.

[Cheeks]

My apologies. I only read the lay-person summary of the most recent data, where it said 19%.

I did go back and look at the original source material (should have done that the first time). The actual study shows that 47% of individuals that played football beyond high school had brain tissue consistent with CTE. Simply playing high school football doubled the risk of developing CTE.

It was actually significantly worse than I had thought, and significantly worse than the conservative estimate that MU82 had supposed.

The estimates vary depending on how completist you think the brain bank's collection was. If you assumed that half of the brains from NFL players with CTE who died during the study period ended up in the brain bank, that would mean the prevalence of CTE in the broader group of deceased players was 19.3 percent, according to Binney and Bachynski's calculations.3 On the other hand, if 90 percent of the brains with CTE were sent to the bank, the prevalence of CTE would be 10.7 percent. "I'm reasonably confident that it's somewhere north of 10 percent, and I would not at all be surprised — and indeed it's my best guess right now — that the prevalence is probably more in the 20 to 30 percent range," Binney said.

But even if that's correct and as many as 1 in 3 NFL players who were in the league at the same time as the players whose brains ended up in the JAMA study had CTE, that doesn't mean that those numbers also apply to the current pool of players, said Bhramar Mukherjee, a biostatistician and epidemiologist at the University of Michigan's School of Public Health. "The probability of developing CTE could be changing over time, because the protective gear and the style of play is changing over time."

[Cheeks]

Big win for my Panthers. I know none of y'all watched the game, but ESPN and others will be including final-drive plays by McCaffrey and Allen on plays of the week. No such thing as a bad road win, and Houston is not a bad team. Thrilled to be back to 2-2 given the circumstance.

Panthers better without Cam....

[The Sultan]

To the surprise of nobody but the Vikings, Kirk Cousins is not the answer.

$84M guaranteed for 3 years of that.

[Jay Bee]

$84M guaranteed for 3 years of that.

We are puking.

[forgetful]

How was the hit on Williams worse? It was just dumb and late. He didn't spear him with his head down or try to maim him. More stupid football like pushing a guy who crossed the sideline 2 steps before.

Burfict literally tried to take Doyle's head off. Current personal foul hits are for contact to the head, leading with the helmet, or launching your body. He did all 3.

Seriously? Williams was stood up, and wrapped up. Couldn't move and the defender lowered his head (late) and targeted his head and launched himself into a completely defenseless and stopped Williams, after the play was already over.