Last 7 Games: Markus vs Sam vs Joey

[TallTitan34]

EDIT:  FORGOT CREIGHTON GAME

Last 7 Games
Markus: 47-133 (.353), 169 PTS, 227 MIN
Sam: 34-85 (.400), 96 PTS, 259 MIN
Joey: 20-51 (.392), 59 PTS, 200 MIN



Vs. Villanova
Markus: 8-19, 25 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 5-9, 13 PTS, 39 MIN
Joey: 3-6, 8 PTS, 39 MIN

Vs. Creighton
Markus: 11-21, 33 PTS, 39 MIN
Sam: 1-7, 3 PTS, 37 MIN
Joey: 2-5, 6 PTS, 28 MIN

Vs. Seton Hall
Markus: 2-11, 6 PTS, 28 MIN
Sam: 9-19, 25 PTS, 40 MIN
Joey: 2-12, 4 PTS, 23 MIN

Vs. Georgetown
Markus: 8-25, 28 PTS, 31 MIN
Sam: 2-11, 7 PTS, 35 MIN
Joey: 3-6, 16 PTS, 31 MIN

Vs. St. John's
Markus: 8-15, 30 PTS, 30 MIN
Sam: 4-7, 10 PTS, 33 MIN
Joey: 2-5, 5 PTS, 25 MIN

Vs. Seton Hall
Markus: 1-15, 21 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 7-15, 22 PTS, 38 MIN
Joey: 5-9, 12 PTS, 25 MIN

Vs. Murray State
Markus: 9-27, 26 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 6-17, 16 PTS, 37 MIN
Joey: 3-8, 8 PTS, 29 MIN



- Sam played 32 more minutes than Markus (4.6 more a game).
- Joey played 27 less minutes than Markus (3.9 less minutes a game).
- Joey scored 110 fewer points than Markus (15.7 less a game).
- Markus got 48 more shots off than Sam (6.8 more a game).
- Markus scored 73 more points than Sam (10.4 more a game).

[#UnleashSean]

In 34 less minutes Howard put up 34 more shots then Sam. As well as dominate the ball for 25 of the 30 seconds. Dude shot to much and it's a fact.

[TallTitan34]

In 34 less minutes Howard put up 34 more shots then Sam. As well as dominate the ball for 25 of the 30 seconds. Dude shot to much and it's a fact.

That's 6 more shots a game. Not that crazy.

[#UnleashSean]

That's 6 more shots a game. Not that crazy.

Honestly 6 more shots a game with that percentage of shooting is bad.


Then let's take a look at quality of shots. How many of Howard's were chucks with a hand in his face 30 feet from the hoop?

[Bad_Reporter]

Is there a metric for quality of shot?

How about an iso play, burn off 20 seconds and jack up a step back contested 3?

[TallTitan34]

But to transfer over 6 shots a game?  Especially when a PG is coming in next year. Just seems questionable at best.

[#UnleashSean]

But to transfer over 6 shots a game?  Especially when a PG is coming in next year. Just seems questionable at best.

I also question the transfer, theres lots of question marks. However The atmosphere around Howard and what Wojo let him get away with is probably the leading cause right now.

[TallTitan34]

I also question the transfer, theres lots of question marks. However The atmosphere around Howard and what Wojo let him get away with is probably the leading cause right now.

What about what Wojo let Joey get away with? He played 3 less minutes a game than Markus with significantly less to show for it.

[TallTitan34]

I also question the transfer, theres lots of question marks. However The atmosphere around Howard and what Wojo let him get away with is probably the leading cause right now.

Don't get me wrong, I also preferred less Markus shooting at the end of some of those games. I just don't think it was that outrageous to transfer over.

[mu_eyeballs]

What did the same stats show the 6 games before these 6? 

[#UnleashSean]

Don't get me wrong, I also preferred less Markus shooting at the end of some of those games. I just don't think it was that outrageous to transfer over.

I don't think any of us thought it was that outrageous to transfer over, which is why a lot of us were surprised. But the only 2 that matter thought something was wrong enough for the transer to happen.

[skianth16]

But to transfer over 6 shots a game?  Especially when a PG is coming in next year. Just seems questionable at best.

I think you're drawing way too simple of a conclusion here. There has to be more behind the scenes. Why else would so many guys with solid futures choose to leave MU and Wojo? Losing Cheatham mid-year and now losing the Hausers like this just doesn't smell right. There's something about Wojo these guys are sick of.

[NYWarrior]

Did Sam shoot better? No doubt. But I don't think it's that crazy that a second team All-American and National Player of the Year candidate gets 5.6 more shots a game do you?

Also, I believe Joey is lucky he got the minutes he did.

41% usage for Markus in the final 7 games. 41%. And he was injured. No adjustments made by Wojo

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58615.msg1123487#msg1123487

[TallTitan34]

I think you're drawing way too simple of a conclusion here. There has to be more behind the scenes. Why else would so many guys with solid futures choose to leave MU and Wojo? Losing Cheatham mid-year and now losing the Hausers like this just doesn't smell right. There's something about Wojo these guys are sick of.

Wasn't Cheatham's mom sick?

[TallTitan34]

41% usage for Markus in the final 7 games. 41%.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58615.msg1123487#msg1123487

So they are mad at Markus' long leash but not Joey's long leash? 

[Lennys Tap]

Last 6 Games
Markus: 36-112 (.321), 136 PTS, 188 MIN
Sam: 33-78 (.423), 93 PTS, 222 MIN
Joey: 18-46 (.391), 53 PTS, 172 MIN



Vs. Villanova
Markus: 8-19, 25 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 5-9, 13 PTS, 39 MIN
Joey: 3-6, 8 PTS, 39 MIN

Vs. Seton Hall
Markus: 2-11, 6 PTS, 28 MIN
Sam: 9-19, 25 PTS, 40 MIN
Joey: 2-12, 4 PTS, 23 MIN

Vs. Georgetown
Markus: 8-25, 28 PTS, 31 MIN
Sam: 2-11, 7 PTS, 35 MIN
Joey: 3-6, 16 PTS, 31 MIN

Vs. St. John's
Markus: 8-15, 30 PTS, 30 MIN
Sam: 4-7, 10 PTS, 33 MIN
Joey: 2-5, 5 PTS, 25 MIN

Vs. Seton Hall
Markus: 1-15, 21 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 7-15, 22 PTS, 38 MIN
Joey: 5-9, 12 PTS, 25 MIN

Vs. Murray State
Markus: 9-27, 26 PTS, 33 MIN
Sam: 6-17, 16 PTS, 37 MIN
Joey: 3-8, 8 PTS, 29 MIN



- Sam played 34 more minutes than Markus (5.6 more a game).
- Joey played 16 less minutes than Markus (2.6 less a game). 
- Joey scored 83 fewer points than Markus (13.8 less a game).
- Markus got 34 more shots off than Sam (5.6 more a game).
- Markus scored 43 more points than Sam (7.2 more a game).



Did Sam shoot better? No doubt. But I don't think it's that crazy that a second team All-American and National Player of the Year candidate gets 5.6 more shots a game do you?

Also, I believe Joey is lucky he got the minutes he did.

41% usage in the final 7 games for a guy shooting that badly kills a team. Period.

[NYWarrior]

So they are mad at Markus' long leash but not Joey's long leash?

Joey's usage in Big East games was 18.4  Long leash?

[TallTitan34]

Joey's usage in Big East games was 18.4  Long leash?

In those final six games he got 29 minutes a game with crapty D and several turnovers in big moments. Yes, a long leash.

Yes I get Markus was overused. But it's not that crazy especially when Joey was getting more playing time than deserved.

[NYWarrior]

In those final six games he got 29 minutes a game with crapty D and several turnovers in big moments. Yes, a long leash.

Yes I get Markus was overused. But it's not that crazy especially when Joey was getting more playing time than deserved.

If you're going to introduce turnovers "in big moments" into this conversation, pls don't consult Markus' late season film either.

And yes, 41% usage is that crazy.  36% for the season is crazy.  Henry Sugar shared that in-depth in this thread https://twitter.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/1111492010987409408 and this thread https://twitter.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/1111487502043365376

[JakeBarnes]

In those final six games he got 29 minutes a game with crapty D and several turnovers in big moments. Yes, a long leash.

Yes I get Markus was overused. But it's not that crazy especially when Joey was getting more playing time than deserved.

The turnovers were so bad against Creighton too. Like every 30 seconds

[skianth16]

Wasn't Cheatham's mom sick?

That could have been true. But I doubt it was the reason he left a few games into the season. If something was truly dire, and he needed to be home to be with family, I'd guess that would have been a very public message.

Wojo's transfer issues have bugged me the whole time he's been here. If we this was more isolated, I could buy into whatever reason a player gave. But with the trend we've had of losing quality guys, there seems to be something consistent going on behind closed doors. Even Froling alluded to that today on Twitter.

[TallTitan34]

Even Froling alluded to that today on Twitter.

Froling. The guy that left two programs after one year at each?  Ok. 

Not to mention his brother who left after one year at Creighton.

[LAZER]

That could have been true. But I doubt it was the reason he left a few games into the season. If something was truly dire, and he needed to be home to be with family, I'd guess that would have been a very public message.

Wojo's transfer issues have bugged me the whole time he's been here. If we this was more isolated, I could buy into whatever reason a player gave. But with the trend we've had of losing quality guys, there seems to be something consistent going on behind closed doors. Even Froling alluded to that today on Twitter.

You need to accept the reality of
transfers in NCAA basketball.

[TallTitan34]

If you're going to introduce turnovers "in big moments" into this conversation, pls don't consult Markus' late season film either.

And yes, 41% usage is that crazy.  36% for the season is crazy.  Henry Sugar shared that in-depth in this thread https://twitter.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/1111492010987409408 and this thread https://twitter.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/1111487502043365376

I agree.  Markus had bad turnovers as well. That doesn't change that Joey shouldn't have been getting 29 minutes a game.

[skianth16]

Froling. The guy that left two programs after one year at each?  Ok.

Fair enough. Not the best character witness. But he does understand what goes on in the locker room at MU. And he ultimately made the same decision as the Hausers. And Cheatham. And Burton, Wally, Dawson, Sandy, Duane, and Traci.

Yeah, a lot of those guys are probably better suited for mid-major basketball, but there are plenty of role players needed on high major teams too. Wojo's track record on talent retention is not exactly glowing. Seems like something's going on.