JFB: Coaching Differences Between College and NBA

[Eldon]

"Hell yeah it's different," Butler said. "Buzz Williams, who is a lot like Thibs in the sense that they're going to yell at you, they're going to motherf— you, they're going to say it all, that's how they talk to you. I think in the league you can't really talk to nobody like that. You know what I mean?"

"Yeah," Evans said, "it's like a child actor if you're making more than your parents —

"Exactly."

"— they kind of can't tell you to clean your room."

*crickets*

"I did not say that," Butler said, "so you're not going to say I told little kids not to clean their rooms ... something like that. It's tough to yell at a grown man who potentially is making more money than you. Not saying that you shouldn't listen to people, but it's a different level."

https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-shares-why-tom-thibodeaus-coaching-style-isnt-conducive-to-the-nba-192117016.html

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Thibs to the NCAA? 

IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.

[RushmoreAcademy]

For sure. Phil Jackson wasn't a great x's and o's guy, but he was the right guy for those teams because of his ability to manage egos.

[Galway Eagle]

Maybe Wojo can get thibs as an assistant

[Cheeks]

Maybe Wojo can get thibs as an assistant

Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.

[HutchwasClutch]

IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.

And Butler certainly has a huge ego.

NBA is so unappealing to me.  This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort

[The Lens]

Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.

Wojo's Dad could have been a character in Season 2 of The Wire.  I doubt anyone is surprised he can go full KO in practice.

[Jon]

Alfred McGuire, anyone?

AL was a lot better Xs and Os guy than he gets credit for - witness the smothering defenses he devised and devastated opponents with.

We fully expected the other guys to NOT inbound against Al's schemes.

We fully expected the other guys to NOT get across mid-court in 10 seconds against Al's traps.

But Al's greatest gift was people.

If anyone has an ounce of good will towards Tom Crean they should compare that c0ck sucker to Al.

'Nuff said.

[AlienWarrior]

I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore  like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!

[wadesworld]

I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore  like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!

Lol. Let me guess, you're a pilot?

[AlienWarrior]

Lol. Let me guess, you're a pilot?

I'm an alien- no pilot on my craft

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Wojo is plenty salty with the toungue in practice, there is no coddling despite the myth that lives here.

Cuz Chicos has sat in on so many of Wojos MU practices, what an fin douche!!

[JWags85]

And Butler certainly has a huge ego.

NBA is so unappealing to me.  This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort

Effort?  Come on, still with this myth?  NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless.  And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs.  Even happens to college players.  "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb.  Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.

[avid1010]

Cuz Chicos has sat in on so many of Wojos MU practices, what an fin douche!!

He runs in the same circles...Herman too...ok i have to get over that.

Been to a few practices...wojo very clean...maybe because people there.  He's no Lute.. heard him say dang a few time at U of A practices.  That guy had class.

[Jockey]

Lol. Let me guess, you're a pilot?

[Jon]

How's the granola up there in Toronto, eh?

[Dawson Rental]

I wish we could get a coach likeTibbs to MU but candy ass, politically correct MU won't dare get an "in your face coach" anymore  like Buzz. It's the PC Golden Chickens all the way baby!

It sounds like you need a new team to root for.  Don't let the door hit you in the petunie on the way out.

[HutchwasClutch]

Effort?  Come on, still with this myth?  NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless.  And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs.  Even happens to college players.  "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb.  Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.

Well,  I guess I don't have to argue my point about effort sometimes lacking with you since you go on to agree with me!

Yes, NBA regular season is way too long, and no doubt leads to guys coasting at times.  I would love to see the regular season shortened by at least 10-12 games.   Playoffs are too long to, a best of 7 opening round is silly. 

Less is more often, but we'll never see it happen because there's enough fan support the money is too good to pass up by changing it.

[Johnny B]

Coach makes more than player: yells, screams, coaches hard, assumes authority

Coach makes less than player: let player do what they want, feels inferior, keeps mouth shut, cant really yell cuz makes less money

This seems to push the notion that if someone has more money than you they are superior in all ways and you should bow down to them. just silly thinking.

[Cheeks]

Coach makes more than player: yells, screams, coaches hard, assumes authority

Coach makes less than player: let player do what they want, feels inferior, keeps mouth shut, cant really yell cuz makes less money

This seems to push the notion that if someone has more money than you they are superior in all ways and you should bow down to them. just silly thinking.

It is easier to fire the coach than it is to fire player(s), for financial and other reasons.

[Silkk the Shaka]

"Hell yeah it's different," Butler said. "Buzz Williams, who is a lot like Thibs in the sense that they're going to yell at you, they're going to motherf— you, they're going to say it all, that's how they talk to you. I think in the league you can't really talk to nobody like that. You know what I mean?"

"Yeah," Evans said, "it's like a child actor if you're making more than your parents —

"Exactly."

"— they kind of can't tell you to clean your room."

*crickets*

"I did not say that," Butler said, "so you're not going to say I told little kids not to clean their rooms ... something like that. It's tough to yell at a grown man who potentially is making more money than you. Not saying that you shouldn't listen to people, but it's a different level."

https://sports.yahoo.com/jimmy-butler-shares-why-tom-thibodeaus-coaching-style-isnt-conducive-to-the-nba-192117016.html

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Thibs to the NCAA? 

IMO, the management of egos has to be the biggest hurdle in coaching college vs coaching in the NBA.

I hadn't thought about it but he would probably kill it in the NCAA if he got some stud recruiter assistants. He seems like the type that would absolutely hate that aspect, but he had GM experience with the Wolves so the roster management experience is there. UCLA might pay him enough to tempt him

[MUHoopsFan2]

I hadn't thought about it but he would probably kill it in the NCAA if he got some stud recruiter assistants. He seems like the type that would absolutely hate that aspect, but he had GM experience with the Wolves so the roster management experience is there. UCLA might pay him enough to tempt him

Ha ha ha....you actually think he can recruit a kid? Maybe he could at Wisconsin?

[MUHoopsFan2]

It is easier to fire the coach than it is to fire player(s), for financial and other reasons.

Silly.....yes. But reality just the same. It's the bottom line. Unless the coach is paid over $7 million most times he is not safe.

[MUHoopsFan2]

And Butler certainly has a huge ego.

NBA is so unappealing to me.  This is one reason. Other is just style of play and effort

No he doesn't!

He's an NBA Star. He's earned it! In his profession from where he came from and how he came up. . . you need an "ego" as long as he is not 'egotistical.'

There is a difference.

[Jon]

Effort?  Come on, still with this myth?  NBA players are so good at what they do that they make the game look easy and effortless.  And then 82 games with travel is a long and grueling season, if you're going balls out for 48 min, killing yourself every play, you won't have any juice for the playoffs.  Even happens to college players.  "NBA players don't try hard" is so dumb.  Id rather their lack of effort than TTU-Michigan last night.

Wags

You need to get your sh1t together. Don't you know that air travel tears a man apart and lays bare his naked soul?

College athlete or pro - no man should be expected to endure the Bataan Death March that is air travel. I read somewhere that Huggins blamed his woeful past season on air travel. In fact, he called the flights from Morgantown to OU and OSU the "Latter Day Trail of Tears."

I think what is needed is a dramatic solution to end the carnage: Have every play nothing but home games.   

That way, no man will be asked to subject himself to the horrors of road trips where the cookie tray at the Doubletree might be empty. I have heard of a good man, already greatly inconvenienced by substandard pillows at the Hilton, being denied the simple pleasure of a cheeseburger while on the road because, as I understand it, a tinker or tailor wouldn't let him order room service.

The agony must end, dammit!

[HutchwasClutch]

No he doesn't!

He's an NBA Star. He's earned it! In his profession from where he came from and how he came up. . . you need an "ego" as long as he is not 'egotistical.'

There is a difference.

True, you do need a level  of ego to rise to the level of success he's had.  But his behavior to force his way out of Minnesota was pathetic and just serves to lump himself in with the rest of the pompous jerks around the league and professional sports for that matter.  He has a great story, but then like so many, forgets where he came from and just ends up being another self-indulgent jacka$$. 

Giannis is one of the very few in the league who truly seems to appreciate the spoils of his success and hasn't forgotten his humble roots. No doubt I'm sure his ego is big too, but he carries himself with extreme class.  To me, he's the gold standard of how superstar athletes should behave.  I thought Butler had that in him too while at MU.   So it is possible to handle success with grace and class with a big ego, which Butler forever ruined and stained by his exit from Minnesota.