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jesmu84

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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2019, 02:39:56 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 01:11:05 PM
Can you provide some examples to this?

No. He doesn't.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2019, 02:48:09 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on March 23, 2019, 01:11:05 PM
Can you provide some examples to this?

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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2019, 05:47:52 PM »
Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2019, 05:52:05 PM »
Turns out Murray State just has one guy.  And Wojo’s game plan was grade school at best.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2019, 05:53:23 PM »
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse

FSU, length, athletic, speed, slashers. Playing Morant straight up, not rotating, letting him get his points, other players are not.  FSU on fire though
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2019, 05:53:56 PM »
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse

The bigger question is if Wojo is humble enough to see the flaws in his own decisions and to then consider other views. He strikes me as a little aloof. Not willing to compromise.

When it works, he's brilliant. When it doesn't, someone else is at fault.

Clearly FSU saw something in the tape that Wojo and crew didn't. These guys actually look like they're a top team playing against a mid major right now.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2019, 05:55:30 PM »
Quote from: jonny09 on March 23, 2019, 05:52:05 PM
Turns out Murray State just has one guy.  And Wojo’s game plan was grade school at best.

Yup, after seeing this...looking like it’s squarley on Wojo now. Just completely whiffed on the game plan.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2019, 05:57:08 PM »
Look at the difference in athleticsm.  Murray way more athletic than mu
Fsu waay way way more athletic than murray
Its that simple
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2019, 05:58:01 PM »
Quote from: skianth16 on March 23, 2019, 05:53:56 PM
When it works, he's brilliant. When it doesn't, someone else is at fault.

I'm legitimately asking - have you ever heard Wojo blame anyone other than himself?

FSU was hitting everything first half.  But yes, guarding straight up and not allowing easy assists(tm) is working better than Wojo's plan.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2019, 06:01:14 PM »
Wojo’s game plan was brutal.  Period. We’ve beaten athletic teams this year.  His miscalculation in defensive tactics was nothing short of brutal. 
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2019, 06:02:29 PM »
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
I'm legitimately asking - have you ever heard Wojo blame anyone other than himself?

FSU was hitting everything first half.  But yes, guarding straight up and not allowing easy assists(tm) is working better than Wojo's plan.

In a presser? No. But he knows when to say the right things. Hes a PR dream. I'm not convinced he believes what he says, though.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #86 on: March 23, 2019, 06:02:34 PM »
Yep murray st not that good. The idea we should consistently lose to them by double digits is nonsensical. Turns out just a broken gameplan on the both ends of the floor. Hero ball and isos on offense while guys stand around and a broken defense with zero adjustments. I can not believe how many wide open shots they had. Haven't said this once all year but this is mostly on wojo. Secondly it's the inexcusable lack of speed on this team jeez
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #87 on: March 23, 2019, 06:03:23 PM »
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
Wonder if now, watching FSU’s defensive gameplan vs Morant is when Wojo is realizing his initial plan was bad and his refusal to adjust was even worse

I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.

The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.

Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.
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jonny09

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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2019, 06:07:20 PM »
My favorite response for who is at fault is the Ja Morant being a lottery pick choice.   ::)
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2019, 06:11:27 PM »
Aisle go ya won bedder. Evaluation of talent sucks two. Wojo hasta commit ta an offensive and defensive style of ball and recruit four it. How wood y'all describe Coach's signature offens and defense, hey?
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #90 on: March 23, 2019, 06:11:41 PM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2019, 06:03:23 PM
I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.

The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.

Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.

watching FSU right now has me thinking our ineffectiveness vs Murray State was more driven by personell vs game plan. FSU's long and lanky dudes are disrupting passing lanes and making assists difficult.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #91 on: March 23, 2019, 06:14:15 PM »
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on March 23, 2019, 06:11:41 PM
watching FSU right now has me thinking our ineffectiveness vs Murray State was more driven by personell vs game plan. FSU's long and lanky dudes are disrupting passing lanes and making assists difficult.

Bailey is 6’8 no?
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #92 on: March 23, 2019, 06:23:31 PM »
Quote from: AirPunch on March 23, 2019, 05:55:30 PM
Yup, after seeing this...looking like it’s squarley on Wojo now. Just completely whiffed on the game plan.
Kind of funny how Wojo has whiffed lots over his 5 years, but thankfully he is trending upward.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #93 on: March 23, 2019, 06:24:41 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 23, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
Look at the difference in athleticsm.  Murray way more athletic than mu
Fsu waay way way more athletic than murray
Its that simple
That’s part of it but it’s more than that. FSU is conceding Morant will get his and shutting everyone else down so he’s been reduced to a one man show.

I don’t even fault Wojo for his initial plan as much as I do his inability or unwillingness to adjust
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #94 on: March 23, 2019, 06:30:15 PM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2019, 06:03:23 PM
I think this inadvertently points to the biggest problem we've had under Wojo, which is recruiting. Florida State has a bazillion guys that are 6'6"+ with 7-foot wingspans that can man Morant. We tried Anim & Bailey and neither could do it.

The problem is recruiting. Our best offensive players are generally average at best defenders. Our best defensive players are generally average offensively. The only guy above average on both ends is Sam Hauser. Otherwise, Markus, Joey, Sacar, Theo, Ed, & Bailey are all notably better on one end than the other.

Maybe it's just a matter of time, we've at least seen Wojo can build a competent unit on both ends. But the patience part can be difficult at times, especially when the bottom falls out as dramatically as it did this year.

I agree with this, but it’s been 5 years. Waiting to see if it’s just a matter of time is getting old.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #95 on: March 23, 2019, 06:31:11 PM »
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 23, 2019, 06:24:41 PM
That’s part of it but it’s more than that. FSU is conceding Morant will get his and shutting everyone else down so he’s been reduced to a one man show. ]
I don’t even fault Wojo for his initial plan as much as I do his inability or unwillingness to adjust

Bingo. The difference between a seasoned  accomplished coach and a young guy trying to make a name for himself is the willingness to realize you're not a genius.
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2019, 06:35:02 PM »
Looking at what Florida State is doing to the Murray State juggernaut that roled over us, it is clear who's at fault for the loss.

If I have to hear the announcers say what a great game plan Hamilton put in place to keep MS from doing what they want to do once more, I'm going to puke.

I can't help but think back to Kevin O'Neil using a triangle and two vs. Kentucky, I think, to neutralize their stud in the NCAAs in 1993 (?).  Had not used it at any time previously at Marquette but the team was so we'll prepared that they executed it perfectly and won the game. 

What a difference a coach who can game plan and adjust can make...
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2019, 06:35:11 PM »
I’ll also say I’m sad I didn’t go out of my way to watch more of Morant this year. That kid’s game is absolutely incredible and he’s going to be a dynamite PG in the NBA
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2019, 06:41:29 PM »
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 23, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
Looking at what Florida State is doing to the Murray State juggernaut that roled over us, it is clear who's at fault for the loss.

If I have to hear the announcers say what a great game plan Hamilton put in place to keep MS from doing what they want to do once more, I'm going to puke.

I can't help but think back to Kevin O'Neil using a triangle and two vs. Kentucky, I think, to neutralize their stud in the NCAAs in 1993 (?).  Had not used it at any time previously at Marquette but the team was so we'll prepared that they executed it perfectly and won the game. 

What a difference a coach who can game plan and adjust can make...
You are right. Maybe we need to start asking a key question
What the hell did Wojo learn in his 15-20 years at Duke, besides how to make awesome power points?
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Re: Who Do You Blame for the Murray State Loss?
« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2019, 06:45:14 PM »
Quote from: jonny09 on March 23, 2019, 06:14:15 PM
Bailey is 6’8 no?

Yes but he's just one guy
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