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Wojo Excuses Thread

Started by 5DollarPitcher, March 21, 2019, 05:51:53 PM

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Cheeks

What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys.  Some were great players and great people, a few weren't.  The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way.  University said no more.  You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that.  University isn't going to get burned a second time.  They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press.  That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc.  But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

The Lens

Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
Oh. When the poster was talking about how we can excuse the last 7 games of the season I figured we were talking this season, not our NCAA Tournament success in the last 5 years.

This season was a complete bust. 

No pre season tourney win
No conf season champ
No conf tourney champ
No NCAA win

I love these players and I don't mind Wojo but this year was a bust. 

Our ROI is a disaster. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

warriors141

Quote from: AirPunch on March 21, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
I watched it. Said Murray State is an outstanding team.

One guy said to Wojo..."you have a shooting guard sitting next to you, etc etc". Should have seen the look on Howard's face lol

where did you see this?

The Lens

Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys.  Some were great players and great people, a few weren't.  The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way.  University said no more.  You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that.  University isn't going to get burned a second time.  They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press.  That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc.  But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.

Who? Who burned the University?  Name names. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart


Stretchdeltsig

What an awful loss.  So disappointed.  Embarrassing worst loss of the day.  Coaching was terrible. 

Stretchdeltsig

We looked like we played in slow motion.

MUfan12

Through 5 years-

Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.

Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.

warriors141

Quote from: AirPunch on March 21, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Marquette comes on at 26 min.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4bHpV5iqEk

typical weak crap from wojo. murray state hadn't beat anyone all year, yet he talked them up like an nba team

The Lens

In order to feel better about the loss Marquette Athletics will post 17 instagrams about Wade, Jimmy & Jae all the while patting itself on the back for no longer being a program of Juco's and Prop 48s. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Mike Deane's Seat Belt

i think the off the court issues of tbe buzz era are blown way out of proportion.  This was not a memphis or kentucky level program dirty dealings.   


PointWarrior


Well stated...   

But what will change next year ?


Quote from: The Lens on March 21, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
This season was a complete bust. 

No pre season tourney win
No conf season champ
No conf tourney champ
No NCAA win

I love these players and I don't mind Wojo but this year was a bust. 

Our ROI is a disaster.

warriorfred

Quote from: PointWarrior on March 21, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
Well stated...   

But what will change next year ?

Nothing.   Al right, there is the possibility that one of the PG recruits is an all-world freshman and takes the team to the next level.

If I had to bet, Marquette probably makes the tournament and it's a crap shoot whether the Warriors make it out of the first round.  Then the 2020-2021 season is a step-back and we debate the merits of the NIT.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Through 5 years-

Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.

Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.

Trajectory!
Deane:
21-12
23-8
22-9
20-11
14-15

Wojo:
13-19
20-13
19-13
21-14
24-10

Wojo has a lot to learn, but if you don't notice different trends for both coaches as they get their players, you're just making noise.

Pops Sims


5DollarPitcher

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
Trajectory!
Deane:
21-12
23-8
22-9
20-11
14-15

Wojo:
13-19
20-13
19-13
21-14
24-10

Wojo has a lot to learn, but if you don't notice different trends for both coaches as they get their players, you're just making noise.
Year 2, 3, and 4 look quite similar, honestly. Especially when you consider the ultimate outcomes (nothing, NCAA, NIT).  Year 5 aesthetically looks better but it's only fair to qualify it with the fact that the Big East was undoubtedly way down in Year 5... and we got spanked by a midmajor in Round 1.  There's no trajectory.

Herman Cain

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Through 5 years-

Mike Deane: 100-55, NIT runner up and quarterfinal, 1-2 NCAA.

Steve Wojciechowski: 97-69, NIT quarterfinal, 0-2 NCAA.
I put up a poll at the beginning of Wojos tenure asking if he would exceed Mike Deane. The answer now that the result are in is he didn't.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

rocky_warrior

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 21, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
  Year 5 aesthetically looks better but it's only fair to qualify it with the fact that the Big East was undoubtedly way down in Year 5...

Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA!  Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!

Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument

#UnleashSean

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA!  Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!

Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument

Yes Wojo has been better then Deane, but many expect a coach at Marquette to not be compared with a mid major. Hmmm?

jsglow

Quote from: #UnleashCain on March 21, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Yes Wojo has been better then Deane, but many expect a coach at Marquette to not be compared with a mid major. Hmmm?

Actually, I heard Wojo channel his best Mike Deane in an interview when he talked about how hard it is to make the NCAA.  Um, not with the budget you're given.  Big mistake with that comment.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: jsglow on March 21, 2019, 08:01:16 PM
Actually, I heard Wojo channel his best Mike Deane in an interview when he talked about how hard it is to make the NCAA.  Um, not with the budget you're given.  Big mistake with that comment.

Before wojo

8/9

AW 2/5.

I understand some of yall watched in the 80's and 90's when MU was a laughing stock. But there are those of us under the age of 35 who expect Marquette to not just be on the bubble every year, but consistently make some noise.

MUfan12

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
Deane's year 5 went 6-10 in CUSA!  Lost to mighty SLU (8-8 CUSA) in the CUSA tourney!

Wojo has improved Marquette basketball in his tenure. Not as quickly as anyone would have liked. But comparing his 5 years to Deane's is a bad argument

Just providing some numbers.

And it's far from a fact that Wojo has improved MU basketball.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 08:12:38 PM
And it's far from a fact that Wojo has improved MU basketball.

In his 5 years, pretty much a fact.

vs other MU coaches, not a fact. agreed?

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 21, 2019, 08:18:49 PM
In his 5 years, pretty much a fact.

vs other MU coaches, not a fact. agreed?
OK?  He improved the team from a team that literally had majority walk-on caliber guys left because the old coach left and everyone else transferred out?  This isn't a point in the Wojo column.  Anyone with a pulse and the Marquette budget could've improved it from what it was.  The longer admin sticks with Wojo with these types of results, the sooner this will become the identity of the MU program.  Are you OK with that?

Guy Fieri's Dad

Quote from: Cheeks on March 21, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
What you guys fail to accept...Buzz was given a leash, and he brought in his guys.  Some were great players and great people, a few weren't.  The university got burned by Buzz and those players in a bad way.  University said no more.  You guys wanting Buzz back and what Buzz was allowed to do....good luck with that.  University isn't going to get burned a second time.  They want to win, but they want to win in a way that keeps them out of the bad press.  That doesn't sit well with some of you that are in the mode of anything goes, etc.  But you aren't running the shots, the university leadership is.

How did uni get burned great marketing in deep tourneys runs. Nobody outside Milwaukee gave a care about the other stuff perpetrated by one player