Wojo’s replacement.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I do question people's confidence that Wojo will improve moving forward. He is 43 years old, been mentored by an all time great, been on the sideline coaching some of all time best players and still looks confused in regards in game coaching. I would hope all lessons have been learned already.

Rocky
Possibly he can learn to speak Mandarin or ride a unicycle, but he should have 99% of coaching chops by now. You can have confidence in his upward growth, and I respect that opinion. That said, he has been around greatness, both coaches and players, for his entire life. Part of the reason why I was in favor of the hire, after losing my top choice, was his pedigree.

I don't know about this. Most of the great coaches I know of were a lot better in their 50s and 60s  then they were at 43. Not all but most.

[Goose]

TAMU
I get called old guy all the time on here, and for good reason. The world changed and coaches are younger and younger. Furthermore, the standard of excellence is higher and learning on the job moments do not happen much anymore. You know full well that few guys getting paid millions are allowed to learn on the job for half decade.

I would think if you are 100% honest, you believed Wojo was better trained for the job than what reality showed. Why would you pick a learn on the job guy to rebuild, what some on here believe, the biggest shitshow in MU history?

[rocky_warrior]

I don't know about this. Most of the great coaches I know of were a lot better in their 50s and 60s  then they were at 43. Not all but most.

I think I need to give up replying.  I'm not even a guy that would have Wojo's back no matter what.  But folks are being illogical.  Hard to compete with that. 

Note, Goose, this is not directed at you.

[Goose]

Rocky
All good. I am not in the camp of giving Wojo his walking papers. I am in the camp that is time to step up of the program or get his walking papers.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU
I get called old guy all the time on here, and for good reason. The world changed and coaches are younger and younger. Furthermore, the standard of excellence is higher and learning on the job moments do not happen much anymore. You know full well that few guys getting paid millions are allowed to learn on the job for half decade.

I would think if you are 100% honest, you believed Wojo was better trained for the job than what reality showed. Why would you pick a learn on the job guy to rebuild, what some on here believe, the biggest crapshow in MU history?

Are coaches getting younger and younger? When I think of the top coaches today, they are all in their 50s and 60s (and a few in their 70s).

I'm not sure I know of anyone who isn't learning on the job. I would imagine Coach K would tell you he's learning new things about being a coach every day.

What you seem to be asking is why did MU hire a guy they didn't think was ready? They didn't. They thought he was ready and so far, he has showed he was. We are through the rebuild and now have a program that is back to earning high seeds in the tournament. On paper, it looks like we should have a stronger team next season so theoretically, that trend should continue.

[Goose]

TAMU

I give you credit, you scooped me in the Wojo hire five years ago and stand with your man. We obviously have different definitions of being ready and status of program. If I didn't know better I would think you were Wojo😀 I remember well your telling me Wojo was the guy before he was the guy. I thought you were off your rocker then, and possibly still think that way.

Back to being ready, Buzz came here with his only experience was screwing a former employer. I do not remember him needing to learn in the job or folks saying he will keep learning and get better. Wojo's resume made Buzz look like a fifth grade girls coach, yet we are watching him get his Masters degree in coaching.

I will add, while you do frustrate the hell out of me with your Wojo love, I feel the need to reply to your posts. Every time I say to myself 'this is the post that will light the switch in TAMU basketball mind'. While I am still waiting, I think I have better chance of you having a Goose is right moment than Wojo being the savior.

[Cheeks]

I don't know about this. Most of the great coaches I know of were a lot better in their 50s and 60s  then they were at 43. Not all but most.

Yup, which is why hiring an assistant each time means we get inexperienced guys.  Hungry, working hard, but inexperienced.  But that's all we can get apparently.

[Goose]

TAMU

We did watch Buzz learn one thing on the job, leveraging S16 appearances for more money every year..

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU

I give you credit, you scooped me in the Wojo hire five years ago and stand with your man. We obviously have different definitions of being ready and status of program. If I didn't know better I would think you were Wojo😀 I remember well your telling me Wojo was the guy before he was the guy. I thought you were off your rocker then, and possibly still think that way.

Back to being ready, Buzz came here with his only experience was screwing a former employer. I do not remember him needing to learn in the job or folks saying he will keep learning and get better. Wojo's resume made Buzz look like a fifth grade girls coach, yet we are watching him get his Masters degree in coaching.

I will add, while you do frustrate the hell out of me with your Wojo love, I feel the need to reply to your posts. Every time I say to myself 'this is the post that will light the switch in TAMU basketball mind'. While I am still waiting, I think I have better chance of you having a Goose is right moment than Wojo being the savior.

Goose, you don't have me pegged at all. Not even close. I have zero love for Wojo. None. If he were to be fired tomorrow I'd give more thought to my morning bowel movement than I would to Wojo from that moment on. I'd think it was mistake but my thoughts would instantly turn to who do we hire, what recruits can we keep, who's a transfer risk, who should we hope transfer....what do we need to do to move forward.

All my love is for Marquette. I will not be content until I see Marquette win a national championship with my own eyes. Do not mistake patience for love. You and I see the path forward differently. I think championship programs take time to build and progress is slow and non linear. I think it takes finding the right coach, one who not only has the chops but also a love for the game, a willingness and ability to grow, and a desire to build something here at Marquette, not to chase the next paycheck. And even when you get the right coach, you are going to have wander the wilderness in frustration for years before that championship finally comes. I don't know if Wojo is that right coach yet but to date, he's done more to prove that he is than he isn't. Until that changes, I will support Wojo because that is the best path to a championship. Not churning through coaches hoping we catch enough lightening in a bottle to win it all. Others see it differently and that's fine. But I don't see many coaches going to the Final Four in their first few years of being in a job.

I'll be honest Goose, I'm not sure I can ever have a "Goose was right" moment because I'm never really sure where you stand. I don't know if its intentional or not, but it seems like you often say one thing but mean another. You say you don't want Wojo fired, but you also say Wojo isn't very good and you don't see him improving....but you do want the basketball program to do well. You say we have the talent of a bubble team....and without good talent you need good coaching....but when we get a 5 seed, you say the coaching is bad, but still insist the talent is bad.

[Goose]

TAMU
Here is where I stand:

1. I accept Wojo is our coach and hoping for the very best for program and Wojo.
2. I think our talent level is lacking, but enough that top tier coach could make better.
3. I think the season and 5 seed was fools gold. IMO we beat one good team, three months ago.
4. I believe MU is very satisfied with Wojo and the direction of the program.
5. Can Wojo get better? Yeah, probably. Might have reservations that he can take program to the level we all want.
6. While I no longer live and die with MU results, I wish we were good enough that I did.
7. My belief on MU ball is very simple. I believe it is the greatest advertising tool we have and it is not being utilized to the fullest.
8. MU and MU ball has been in my blood since the day I was born. While I get pissed at things they do, I love MU. It has been an institution that has blessed my family in many ways and very grateful for that. With that love, and some arrogance, I believe I can make educated judgements regarding their decision making. In addition, I have been blessed to have been in the right place, at the right time and understand our place in history as well as anyone on here.
9. Lastly, I want to see my Marquette Warriors win another fxxkin National Championship.
Hope that takes away any confusion.

[Jon]

I'll be honest Goose, I'm not sure I can ever have a "Goose was right" moment because I'm never really sure where you stand. I don't know if its intentional or not, but it seems like you often say one thing but mean another. You say you don't want Wojo fired, but you also say Wojo isn't very good and you don't see him improving....but you do want the basketball program to do well. You say we have the talent of a bubble team....and without good talent you need good coaching....but when we get a 5 seed, you say the coaching is bad, but still insist the talent is bad.

Attend a Meat Summit and you will know exactly where Mother Goose stands on the burning issues of our day.

There is something about the Mystical Union of Man, Meat, and Fire that can lay bare a man's soul.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU
Here is where I stand:

1. I accept Wojo is our coach and hoping for the very best for program and Wojo.
2. I think our talent level is lacking, but enough that top tier coach could make better.
3. I think the season and 5 seed was fools gold. IMO we beat one good team, three months ago.
4. I believe MU is very satisfied with Wojo and the direction of the program.
5. Can Wojo get better? Yeah, probably. Might have reservations that he can take program to the level we all want.
6. While I no longer live and die with MU results, I wish we were good enough that I did.
7. My belief on MU ball is very simple. I believe it is the greatest advertising tool we have and it is not being utilized to the fullest.
8. MU and MU ball has been in my blood since the day I was born. While I get pissed at things they do, I love MU. It has been an institution that has blessed my family in many ways and very grateful for that. With that love, and some arrogance, I believe I can make educated judgements regarding their decision making. In addition, I have been blessed to have been in the right place, at the right time and understand our place in history as well as anyone on here.
9. Lastly, I want to see my Marquette Warriors win another fxxkin National Championship.
Hope that takes away any confusion.

What I'm getting from this is that you think we are heading in the wrong direction but accept that there's nothing you can do about it so you hope for the best. I guess my question is, if you could or could have done something, what would you do or have done differently?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Attend a Meat Summit and you will know exactly where Mother Goose stands on the burning issues of our day.

There is something about the Mystical Union of Man, Meat, and Fire that can lay bare a man's soul.

Send me an invitation. If I am in town I would love to attend. I've only gotten to meet a few scooper off the interwebs but have enjoyed every encounter.

[Goose]

TAMU
I think we are going the right direction at a snails pace. I highly question the program will be significantly better off in three years with Wojo in charge. I have said many times, I highly question the university's desire to be big time. Wojo is the guy and we have to hope for the best.
If I were in charge, I would hire a guy that plays in your face D and pushes the ball. In addition, he would only recruit players that can play that style.

[4everwarriors]

Four da record invites ta da Meat Summits are extended afta much deliberation and debate bye da Executive Committee. A spot at da Meat Summit table is knot ta bee taken litely, is earned, and is a privilege, knot a right, aina?

[MU82]

Enjoyed catching up after taking a couple days to chillax. This has been quite a thread.

When a coach leaves us -- shows no loyalty -- Scoopers are spurned and ticked off. We give him clever nicknames, argue whether he was better or worse than the other guy who was disloyal to us, etc. We bemoan the fact that we are a "stepping stone" job.

When a coach gradually builds our program to the point that in Years 3-5 he goes NCAA-NIT-NCAA ... goes 23-4 and earns a top-10 ranking ... does it all without a sniff of legal or NCAA troubles ... is a great public ambassador for the school ... and coaches an exciting team that draws huge crowds to an NBA arena ... well, dozens (maybe hundreds?) of Scoopers want to fire him after a bad 3-week stretch that "proved" he can't coach.

That's what's known as "passion" or being "competitive," not disloyalty.

Yep, I can see why established head coaches would be lining up for this job.

Now, let's take a look at Wojo's "competition" for the job 5 years ago:

1. Shaka: 67-66 in 4 seasons at Texas. 0 NCAA wins. 3 straight seasons with losing conference record. Got (and deserved) credit for a scintillating Final Four run in 2011, but results have indisputably been disappointing ever since -- not just trending downward but crashing hard at Texas. Nevertheless, some Scoopers "know" he is a better coach than Wojo.

2. Howland: 4th year at Mississippi State. Finally got to the NCAAs in Year 4, losing in the first round to a 12-seed -- just as Marquette did, albeit one without a top-3 NBA lottery pick. Dogged by major question marks about how he "conducted business" at UCLA, which is why he was begging anybody who would take him for a job.

3. Martin: 3 years at Cal, 1 NCAA appearance (a loss), then bolted for Mizzou. Clearly would have used Marquette as a stepping-stone school. In 2 years at Mizzou, 35-30, including 15-17 in this, his second season.

4. Manning: Not sure we ever considered him, but many Scoopers said they wish we would have. An unmitigated disaster at Wake Forest: 65-93  in 5 years, 4 losing seasons, and 11-20 in each of the last 2 years. Most Wake fans were stunned to hear he's being brought back for a 6th season.

But yeah, Wojo has to be fired because apparently K, Cal, Roy and Self will be lining up for our job this time. Or maybe the savior will be the Buffalo guy whose rump Wojo beat by 1,000 points back in December (thanks mostly to the guard we'll be better off without, of course).

Love this thread, especially after Smuggles was given a Scoopcation for attacking a guy who's been dead for years. Great stuff.

[real chili 83]

Four da record invites ta da Meat Summits are extended afta much deliberation and debate bye da Executive Committee. A spot at da Meat Summit table is knot ta bee taken litely, is earned, and is a privilege, knot a right, aina?

Fellas,

I'll vouch for TAMU.  Met him. Not bad for a Cretin grad.  PM me for details.

[willie warrior]

Rocky
All good. I am not in the camp of giving Wojo his walking papers. I am in the camp that is time to step up of the program or get his walking papers.

Glad you joined the camp, Goose, but the stepping up should have begun several years ago. We are now trending downward.

[Cheeks]

Glad you joined the camp, Goose, but the stepping up should have begun several years ago. We are now trending downward.

No, actually we aren't.  Why do you continue to reject data.  We simply aren't.  Now, maybe in a few years we will be, but from where we were 6 years ago, 5 years ago, 4 years ago, etc, we are trending up.  Probably not as fast as you would like, but don't make false statements.

[bananahammock]

Thread/rumor on rivals.com: wojo interviewing at UNLV

[Goose]

Choir boy does Vegas?

[Jon]

Four da record invites ta da Meat Summits are extended afta much deliberation and debate bye da Executive Committee. A spot at da Meat Summit table is knot ta bee taken litely, is earned, and is a privilege, knot a right, aina?

Screening Committee to be a Scoop Moderator





Screening Committee for Meat Summit Invitations

[nyg]

Thread/rumor on rivals.com: wojo interviewing at UNLV

Could you post where you read that and maybe provide the link. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Thread/rumor on rivals.com: wojo interviewing at UNLV

https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/wojo-rumor.39848/

[Goose]

Wojo's coming out party. Vegas of all places for Wojo to have his first courting as a HC. Think a perfect spot to land for Wojo.