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79Warrior

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2019, 09:48:12 PM
Have ya talked ta da BOT, hey?

Don't think they are down on him just yet.

Marcus92

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 11:53:16 AMI still think he's a great coach and has a proven record of success.

What's the point of pining for a coach who doesn't want to be here? It's never going to happen. You're just torturing yourself. Not to mention the fact that said coach is 10 games below .500 in Big 12 conference play with just two NCAAs appearances in the past 4 years -- both first-round exits.
"Let's get a green drink!" Famous last words

Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 12:10:27 PM
Sometimes it's a matter of being a poor fit. You're a believer in fits being important in life? Shaka Smart is a better coach than Woj and has a resume to prove it. If you believe he went to TX and suddenly forgot how to coach I don't know what to tell you

But wait, you have made the same argument here.  Did Wojo forget how to coach the last three weeks but knew how to coach the previous 4 months?

Stubbing your toe.

Look at what Smart has done.  Final Four, then two straight years of 1-1, then his next four appearances 0-1. 

For those of you who only care about March, that trend with those resources....fit or not, feels like you are making a double standards argument.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
But wait, you have made the same argument here.  Did Wojo forget how to coach the last three weeks but knew how to coach the previous 4 months?

Stubbing your toe.

Look at what Smart has done.  Final Four, then two straight years of 1-1, then his next four appearances 0-1. 

For those of you who only care about March, that trend with those resources....fit or not, feels like you are making a double standards argument.
Who said there was concrete evidence that he was a great coach? I sure didn't. Not based on a stretch of games in a single season. If you did you were awfully quick to do so.
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Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 12:24:47 PM
Who said there was concrete evidence that he was a great coach? I sure didn't. Not based on a stretch of games in a single season. If you did you were awfully quick to do so.

Mick Cronin, had an easier team to play against, one that was falling apart in Iowa, and they lost today.  Another better seed loses.  Still like him as our replacement?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
Mick Cronin, had an easier team to play against, one that was falling apart in Iowa, and they lost today.  Another better seed loses.  Still like him as our replacement?
Yes he's still a better coach. Wouldn't be anywhere near my top choice but he's a better coach.
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Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
Yes he's still a better coach. Wouldn't be anywhere near my top choice but he's a better coach.

Based on what?  He couldn't beat a team that had lost 5 of 6 games going into the tournament, including a blowout loss at home to Rutgers and UC was seeded better....isn't that the mantra argument today?  Interesting double standards alive and well here.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
Based on what?  He couldn't beat a team that had lost 5 of 6 games going into the tournament, including a blowout loss at home to Rutgers and UC was seeded better....isn't that the mantra argument today?  Interesting double standards alive and well here.

Basically a home game, too
"In you they have treated father and mother with contempt; in you they have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow."

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Tony Bennett might become available.

tower912

Quote from: Charley Farley on March 22, 2019, 02:48:25 PM
Tony Bennett might become available.
But would MU want a coach that only plays to a system and made history twice?   (If he loses again, causing UVA to fire him)
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
Based on what?  He couldn't beat a team that had lost 5 of 6 games going into the tournament, including a blowout loss at home to Rutgers and UC was seeded better....isn't that the mantra argument today?  Interesting double standards alive and well here.
Based on his resume. Simple as that. He accomplished more in less time at Murray St than Wojo has at Marquette. Let that sink in.
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Cheeks

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2019, 02:47:42 PM
Basically a home game, too

Yup, if MU lost as a better seed in Chicago to a team that had lost 5 of 6 coming in with some blowout losses, there would be hell to pay.....but instead we have people here saying he would be a good coach for us.  You literally cannot make this shat up if you tried, that's the level of insanity right now.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
Yup, if MU lost as a better seed in Chicago to a team that had lost 5 of 6 coming in with some blowout losses, there would be hell to pay.....but instead we have people here saying he would be a good coach for us.  You literally cannot make this shat up if you tried, that's the level of insanity right now.
And we have people, well one person who's running around here making excuses for yesterday like "bad luck" as if he's paid to do it. Can't make that level of insanity up.
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Marcus92

All of these comparisons seem pretty pointless.

Mick Cronin is in his 16th season as a Division I head coach -- more than three times as much experience as Wojo. Cronin has made 9 straight NCAA tournaments. But in his first 5 seasons: 2 NCAA bids. He's not going anywhere. He's certainly not coming to Marquette.

Shaka Smart is in his 10th season as a Division I head coach -- twice as much experience as Wojo. He did make 4 NCAA tournaments in his first 5 seasons, including a Final Four. But he's had far less success at Texas, missing the tourney 2 out of the past 3 years. Why we'd want him isn't clear to me. Plus he turned down the Marquette job. He's certainly not coming to Marquette.

You don't have to believe in Wojo. But it seems pretty clear the administration (i.e. the people who hired him and pay his salary) does. If you still want to discuss potential replacements, why waste everyone's time with completely unrealistic suggestions or comparisons?
"Let's get a green drink!" Famous last words

Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 02:53:58 PM
And we have people, well one person who's running around here making excuses for yesterday like "bad luck" as if he's paid to do it. Can't make that level of insanity up.

Murray State should not have been a 12, and yes luck has a ton to do with it.  We would have been luckier to have a worse seed like a 6 or a 7 considering those opponents and rankings.  Just using factual data.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Luck had nothing to do with getting annihilated. Just like it had nothing to do with the collapse.
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Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 10:25:26 PM
Luck had nothing to do with getting annihilated. Just like it had nothing to do with the collapse.

We beat an 11 seed just last week by 30 points. 

Yes, luck in who you play matters.  There were plenty of 11, 10, 9, 8 we could have beaten.  Luck has a ton to do with who you play, where you play.  To ignore this is foolish.   Unfortunately we got the 5 vs 12. 

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

How many 12s beat 5s last year with that "unlucky curse of a draw"? It must be weird watching sports believing it's just a matter of luck. Weird and unenjoyable. 
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Jon


Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 10:28:00 PM
How many 12s beat 5s last year with that "unlucky curse of a draw"? It must be weird watching sports believing it's just a matter of luck. Weird and unenjoyable.

You just got done saying we couldn't beat an 11, I showed you we did only 8 days ago by 30 points....hmm.

We were a 5 seed playing the 43rd ranked team.  Va Tech is a 4 seed playing the 104th ranked team.  Yeah, luck and seeding don't mean anything.  LOL

Irony, you also said not to pick the exception....last year was the exception for the 12 vs 5.  Tsk tsk.  The last 20 years, in 17 of them at least one 12 has won.  This year, the most current data point, three of the four won and the fourth should have. Weird. 

Facts.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

Quote from: Cheeks on March 22, 2019, 10:37:42 PM
You just got done saying we couldn't beat an 11, I showed you we did only 8 days ago by 30 points....hmm.

We were a 5 seed playing the 43rd ranked team.  Va Tech is a 4 seed playing the 104th ranked team.  Yeah, luck and seeding don't mean anything.  LOL

Irony, you also said not to pick the exception....last year was the exception for the 12 vs 5.  Tsk tsk.  The last 20 years, in 17 of them at least one 12 has won.  This year, the most current data point, three of the four won and the fourth should have. Weird. 

Facts.
Sports isn't luck. Sorry to break that to you it's not. And never has getting destroyed in competition been the result of luck. Ever. In the history of sports. Ever. One time.

Facts.

Your boy had his ass handed to him in the biggest game of his career. Again. For the second time he's appeared in the tourney.

Facts.
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Cheeks

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2019, 10:40:13 PM
Sports isn't luck. Sorry to break that to you it's not. And never has getting destroyed in competition been the result of luck. Ever. In the history of sports. Ever. One time.

Facts.

Actually luck is a huge component of sports. The fact you would even say it isn't involved is all I need to know.  In fact, that's stunning that you would say that.

I guess the whole "I'd rather be lucky than good" famous quote flew over your head.  Know here it came from?  Hint....sports figure.

I'm glad Kenpomeroy has a luck factor...weird since there is no luck in sports.  Classic.  Absolutely classic. 


What you keep failing to understand is I have never said our loss was due to bad luck in terms of how we played against Murray State. They were the better team.  However, WHO we played, absolutely luck had to do with it.  That was my point, and I think deep down you actually probably knew that...or maybe not.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

NickelDimer

You wanna know what I know deep down? We lost 6 of our last 7 and 2 of those losses were to teams that didn't even sniff the tourney. We weren't beating the majority of this tourney field regardless of our seed. And luck had nothing to do with that.
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Lennys Tap

11 seed Pomeroy rankings (includes 2 "play in" winners) :

St Marys   29
Ohio St     46
Belmont    50
ASU          59

Average ranking:46

12 seed Pomeroy rankings:

Oregon     33
Murray St 44
N Mx St    53
Liberty     58

Average ranking:47

Conclusion: Chico is full of it. Again.

NickelDimer

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 22, 2019, 11:14:24 PM
11 seed Pomeroy rankings (includes 2 "play in" winners) :

St Marys   29
Ohio St     46
Belmont    50
ASU          59

Average ranking:46

12 seed Pomeroy rankings:

Oregon     33
Murray St 44
N Mx St    53
Liberty     58

Average ranking:47

Conclusion: Chico is full of it. Again.
*Chico furiously googling data in an attempt to rebuttal*
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