Clean program matter?

[Billy Hoyle]

A ride home to a recruit who missed his train - BFD.

it was a big enough deal that the assistant coach was fired, the NCAA met with Buzz and the university had to hire BSK to do damage control with the NCAA.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/mu-assistant-fired-williams-suspended-for-recruiting-violations-kl6k8fi-167402655.html/

[NickelDimer]

it was a big enough deal that the assistant coach was fired, the NCAA met with Buzz and the university had to hire BSK to do damage control with the NCAA.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/mu-assistant-fired-williams-suspended-for-recruiting-violations-kl6k8fi-167402655.html/

Which as we know means it was an egregious violation given how reasonable the NCAA is

[Cheeks]

it was a big enough deal that the assistant coach was fired, the NCAA met with Buzz and the university had to hire BSK to do damage control with the NCAA.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/mu-assistant-fired-williams-suspended-for-recruiting-violations-kl6k8fi-167402655.html/

The bigger issue were the lies and coverup.  There were multiple transgressions, and the staff lied to their superiors.  CANNOT happen.  Yup, that is a BFD.  The coaches don't get to decide if a rule broken is a big deal or not, that is for the NCAA and compliance teams at each university.  They cannot lie about it when directly asked, that is an absolute cardinal sin.

Same reason why Wade is now suspended at LSU and one reason he likely will be fired, because he lied to the AD and left them exposed.

[Cheeks]

Which as we know means it was an egregious violation given how reasonable the NCAA is

In my 6 years working in two major athletic departments I found the NCAA is actually quite reasonable if you self report, don't break rules that we were all trained not to break, and were honest.  When people aren't honest, lazy, or flat out say the rules don't apply to them or are "minor" and not worth following.....that's when the NCAA throws reason out the door, and they are damn right to do so.   

[Bocephys]

Yes it matters.  I assume the nearly 20% who said no are not alumni and don't give a rip about the integrity of the school.

You can win without the extracurricular baggage

This is the only correct answer.

[Pakuni]

Frankly you should have a bigger problem with the institution.  If the 'coach' was making these decisions than the powers that be were not doing their job.

Well, the guy tasked with overseeing the coach did lose his job, so there's that.

[Pakuni]

Love this thread.  We just pissed away a Big East regular season title and a high seed in the Tournament, so why not try to distract people from that by reminding them what a horrible human being Buzz was when he coached here half a decade ago?

Because people can only discuss one topic at a time. It's science.

[Dr. Blackheart]

How many Chico alter egos can chime in on this thread?  I am off to the KU and IU boards to see what they have to say about their transgressions.

[Cheeks]

How many Chico alter egos can chime in on this thread?  I am off to the KU and IU boards to see what they have to say about their transgressions.

LOL

Oh, that's right...I'm Billy, and WarriorDad, and Pakuni, and Bocephys.....etc, etc...outstanding. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

LOL

Oh, that's right...I'm Billy, and WarriorDad, and Pakuni, and Bocephys.....etc, etc...outstanding.

What's your handle on Rock Chalk Talk so I can read up on how upfront and honest Bill Self has been with the NCAA?

[Billy Hoyle]

Well, the guy tasked with overseeing the coach did lose his job, so there's that.

That's what happens when the coach and major boosters take control, they push out the AD brought in to reign in the coach.

[Lennys Tap]

The bigger issue were the lies and coverup.  There were multiple transgressions, and the staff lied to their superiors.  CANNOT happen.  Yup, that is a BFD.  The coaches don't get to decide if a rule broken is a big deal or not, that is for the NCAA and compliance teams at each university.  They cannot lie about it when directly asked, that is an absolute cardinal sin.

Same reason why Wade is now suspended at LSU and one reason he likely will be fired, because he lied to the AD and left them exposed.

Wade on tape offering money. Buzz assistant gives kid who missed train a ride (oh, and gave him a T shirt, so (LOL) "multiple transgressions". Yeah, they're the same - not.

[Lennys Tap]

LOL

Oh, that's right...I'm Billy, and WarriorDad, and Pakuni, and Bocephys.....etc, etc...outstanding.

Nobody has said you're Bocephys. I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with Pakuni but would NEVER accuse him of being you.

[Lennys Tap]

In my 6 years working in two major athletic departments I found the NCAA is actually quite reasonable if you self report, don't break rules that we were all trained not to break, and were honest.  When people aren't honest, lazy, or flat out say the rules don't apply to them or are "minor" and not worth following.....that's when the NCAA throws reason out the door, and they are damn right to do so.

Back in the day when you were best buds with Al did you convince him how wonderful the NCAA was? LOL

[Herman Cain]

I would like to see the program have a reputation for recruiting high character kids who can also play well at the High D1 level.  No reason to ever get involved with low character kids and families with their hands out . The cleaner the program the better off  and ,more successful, it will be in the long run. High quality people tend to gravitate toward each other. Throw in winning and the recruiting becomes a case of choosing who you want rather than convincing them to come to you.

[Cheeks]

What's your handle on Rock Chalk Talk so I can read up on how upfront and honest Bill Self has been with the NCAA?

I don't post there.  Sorry, can't help you.  But if you want my opinion, Self should be fired.  Kansas given NCAA infractions and punished...I would say no tournament for two years at least, reduction of scholarships, etc.

[Cheeks]

Wade on tape offering money. Buzz assistant gives kid who missed train a ride (oh, and gave him a T shirt, so (LOL) "multiple transgressions". Yeah, they're the same - not.

The infractions are not the same, nor did anyone say they were.  Lying about infractions, however, is where people get in trouble.  Molehills become bigger.  That was hardly all of it, however, as most know.  "Someone" talking to one of the sexual assault victims directly......yeah, not wise. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-marquette-sex-cases-20111028-story.html

[Cheeks]

Back in the day when you were best buds with Al did you convince him how wonderful the NCAA was? LOL

Best buds?  Hmm, words never came out of mouth or even remotely implied....imagine you exaggerating again.  Shocking. 

I'll say this, Al had plenty of disagreements with the NCAA on a number of issues. Most are well know, but he also served as AD at Marquette and understood the benefits of the NCAA, too.  He wanted to improve it.  He also for 20 years called games on NBC and then CBS (as well as the MU basketball TV network) and provided great enjoyment, including during the tournament. He enjoyed the tournament.  It wasn't 100% anti-NCAA based on what I heard and saw.

[Lennys Tap]

Best buds?  Hmm, words never came out of mouth or even remotely implied....imagine you exaggerating again.  Shocking. 

Exaggerating another person's self important exaggerations is a form of humor. Sorry it went over your head and you took it literally. Shocking.

[Lennys Tap]

I'll say this, Al had plenty of disagreements with the NCAA on a number of issues. Most are well know, but he also served as AD at Marquette and understood the benefits of the NCAA, too.  He wanted to improve it.  He also for 20 years called games on NBC and then CBS (as well as the MU basketball TV network) and provided great enjoyment, including during the tournament. He enjoyed the tournament.  It wasn't 100% anti-NCAA based on what I heard and saw.

Disagreements? That's a major understatement. He couldn't stand the NCAA. Thought they were crooks who protected the powerful and went after the little guy.

[Pakuni]

I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with Pakuni but would NEVER accuse him of being you.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I was accused of being Chicos once early on which is hilarious given our occasional conversations in the superbad. I think there's a group that can't understand why anyone would like or even tolerate Tom Crean, so they assume any TC apologists are Chicos.

All that being said,  WarriorDad is totally Chicos.

[Galway Eagle]

I was accused of being Chicos once early on which is hilarious given our occasional conversations in the superbad. I think there's a group that can't understand why anyone would like or even tolerate Tom Crean, so they assume any TC apologists are Chicos.

All that being said,  WarriorDad is totally Chicos.

This. The people who hate Crean on here are ridiculous about it. Hes by far our third most successful coach.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

All that being said,  WarriorDad is totally Chicos.

What's a Chico's

[Bocephys]

I was accused of being Chicos once early on which is hilarious given our occasional conversations in the superbad. I think there's a group that can't understand why anyone would like or even tolerate Tom Crean, so they assume any TC apologists are Chicos.

All that being said,  WarriorDad is totally Chicos.

Maybe Crean is Chicos?