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[Jon]

I don't understand the love affair this board has with Wojo. I think he is a decent coach not good or great by any means but if you say anything negative everyone jumps on you. What exactly has he done for MU than any other coach outside of him couldn't have done in the same 5 years?

In 5 years Wojo has accomplished...nothing.

The season isn't over. But I have to believe, that deep down, every swinging dick here knows that the Wojo Experiment is in doubt

[Jon]

Honestly, we played well overall.

Honestly we didn't play well today. Let me start with the final score...

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

In 5 years Wojo has accomplished...nothing.

The season isn't over. But I have to believe, that deep down, every swinging dick here knows that the Wojo Experiment is in doubt

That's certainly an interesting, um, categorization you used but count me out. I have no issue with his performance so far. I also have no say in the matter.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In 5 years Wojo has accomplished...nothing.

The season isn't over. But I have to believe, that deep down, every swinging dick here knows that the Wojo Experiment is in doubt

In 4.9 years, Wojo has accomplished nothing significant. In that last .1 he has two opportunities to change that.

Honestly we didn't play well today. Let me start with the final score...

We didn't shoot well yesterday. Georgetown did. Most of those Akinjo threes, McClung threes, and McClung trips to the foul line were not bad defense, they were tough as nails shots and some help from the stripes. We dominated the glass and the possession battle. We ran good offense that got open looks. We couldn't hit those looks. In a vacuum, that game concerned me a lot less than the other three did.

Outside the vacuum, four straight losses to close the season concerns me a lot.

[willie warrior]

OK, our 4 game meltdown was just a "hiccup" as some have suggested, and there is plenty of BBall left to play
So we are still the #10 team and BEast regular season champs. That means we can expect us to sail at least to the BEast title game, get a 3 seed for the Dance, and make a deep run in the Dance, because the last 4 games have been a hiccup. Wojo will slap the floor, pull the lads together, and "trend" us to all that. We should all be for that, and I for one will be pulling for Wojo to do so.
We've got this?

[Jon]

That's certainly an interesting, um, categorization you used but count me out. I have no issue with his performance so far. I also have no say in the matter.

I have doubts about Wojo. And from reading this board today from a downtown Milwaukee hotel I would suggest that I am not alone.

Wojo has not done much in 4.8 years at Marquette. He has the NCAA tournament in which to redeem himself. Anything less than a second weekend run will be a disappointment. A very bitter disappointment.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Has anyone said the last four games have been a hiccup? They were huge. In the blink of an eye, we went from a season where Wojo was on track to exceed season expectations regardless of how March went, and now we are in a position where he has to win multiple games in the BET and/or NCAAs just to consider expectations met. That's a dramatic trip and fall on your face type moment.

It will only be a hiccup if Wojo proves it. If the team wins in the BET and the NCAAs, then we can say it was a good season. If they win big, we can say it was a great season. 6 straight losses to end the season is unquestionably a bad season. Do I think it's a fireable bad season? No. But I'd say it turns up the heat under Wojo's seat.

[Jon]

In 4.9 years, Wojo has accomplished nothing significant. In that last .1 he has two opportunities to change that.

We didn't shoot well yesterday. Georgetown did. Most of those Akinjo threes, McClung threes, and McClung trips to the foul line were not bad defense, they were tough as nails shots and some help from the stripes. We dominated the glass and the possession battle. We ran good offense that got open looks. We couldn't hit those looks. In a vacuum, that game concerned me a lot less than the other three did.

Outside the vacuum, four straight losses to close the season concerns me a lot.

I will agree with this to a point.

I was at the game. Akinjo was throwing up turds that kept splashing into the punch bowl. The defense on him and McClung was tight.

But this was Georgetown, a very mediocre team. We missed open looks and our bigs cannot finish to save their lives. This should have been a double digit win.

Motivation. Right before tip the team knew that The Hall took down Nova. They knew the Reg title was there for the taking. How they failed to cash in that chip is mind boggling.

The only way Wojo should get a pass is  by getting these guys to the second weekend of the Dance. Otherwise his resume at Marquette is wanting. Very wanting, indeed, as well as in spirit.

[NickelDimer]

Those calls that McGlung got over and over and over by literally flailing his body around were absolute and utter bull shiit. I've seen Markus try to draw that call about 97 times in 3 years without getting it a single time. Fireable offense for those refs.

[BM1090]

Those calls that McGlung got over and over and over by literally flailing his body around were absolute and utter bull shiit. I've seen Markus try to draw that call about 97 times in 3 years without getting it a single time. Fireable offense for those refs.

Yep. I have no issue with Sam not getting the foul call at the end. But GT had about 5 consecutive trips where they were bailed out with literally 0 contact.

[willie warrior]

Has anyone said the last four games have been a hiccup? They were huge. In the blink of an eye, we went from a season where Wojo was on track to exceed season expectations regardless of how March went, and now we are in a position where he has to win multiple games in the BET and/or NCAAs just to consider expectations met. That's a dramatic trip and fall on your face type moment.

It will only be a hiccup if Wojo proves it. If the team wins in the BET and the NCAAs, then we can say it was a good season. If they win big, we can say it was a great season. 6 straight losses to end the season is unquestionably a bad season. Do I think it's a fireable bad season? No. But I'd say it turns up the heat under Wojo's seat.

Yes, I saw one post calling it a hiccup, and a number of others referring to it as such, but not the same words, stuff like "bad stretch" and so on. Point is, Wojo can and will pull the team together, which we are all for.

[WarriorDad]

In 5 years Wojo has accomplished...nothing.

The season isn't over. But I have to believe, that deep down, every swinging dick here knows that the Wojo Experiment is in doubt

This is wrong.

He took over a program that did not make the pos season to one that will appear in their third post season tournament in five years, finished second and still has games in front of them.

The end of the season has been disappointing every bit as much as the first 85% was wonderful.

We beat Big 12 champions K State.  Beat Wisconsin 3rd time in four years. Beat defending national champion Villanova, beat Louisville, beat ranked Buffalo.

The other Big East teams improved.  What I have noticed is since Marku was hurt at the end of Providence game, he has not been the same.  Wrist or groin, not the same.

We have lost each of these games in different ways.  Turnovers.  Yesterday was terrible shooting.  To say we have accomplished nothing doesn't seem accurate to me.  This is a good team that badly needs a win right now.

DePaul is playing much better and St. John's at home will not be easy.  Seton Hall essentially at home will not be either. 

[Lennys Tap]

He took over a program that did not make the pos season to one that will appear in their third post season tournament in five years, finished second and still has games in front of them.

He took over a program that had made the NCAA tournament 8 of the previous 9 years with 2 S16s and 1 E8 in the 4 previous years.

[rocky_warrior]

He took over a program that had made the NCAA tournament 8 of the previous 9 years with 2 S16s and 1 E8 in the 4 previous years.

Both of your statements are true.  How about that!?!

[Silent Verbal]

This is wrong.

He took over a program that did not make the pos season to one that will appear in their third post season tournament in five years, finished second and still has games in front of them.

No, this is wrong.  He took over a program that was a year removed from 8 straight NCAA appearances and 3 straight Sweet 16s.  They were facing no sanctions (despite the "other shoe" some on here have alluded to), have excellent facilities and recruiting resources, and play in an NBA arena.

And one of those post seasons he made was the NIT, a garbage tournament for garbage teams. Being satisfied with the NIT is what got Mike Deane fired, but under Wojo I guess it's the land of milk and honey.  The High Volume Wojo Guys will do anything to prop up his overall mediocre tenure at Marquette.

But you know what?  He still has a chance to redeem himself in the Tourney, and I hope he does.  However, if we don't make the second weekend, his first five years here will have been lackluster at best.

[79Warrior]

Big East was stolen from us by zebras. Sam was fouled. Mac MacClung was gifted 8 free throws.

We had 4 straights games to win the BE. One play in one game was hardly the reason. Maybe if Sam hit a few shots we would not be having this discussion.

[Shooter McGavin]

I will agree with this to a point.

I was at the game. Akinjo was throwing up turds that kept splashing into the punch bowl. The defense on him and McClung was tight.

But this was Georgetown, a very mediocre team. We missed open looks and our bigs cannot finish to save their lives. This should have been a double digit win.

Motivation. Right before tip the team knew that The Hall took down Nova. They knew the Reg title was there for the taking. How they failed to cash in that chip is mind boggling.

The only way Wojo should get a pass is  by getting these guys to the second weekend of the Dance. Otherwise his resume at Marquette is wanting. Very wanting, indeed, as well as in spirit.

Agreed most shots were well defended.  Ankinjo, Leblanc and Mcclung are going to be really annoying over the next three years. 

[SERocks]

I think the real question to ask is this -- give our roster of players to any coach you desire, how would this season be different from what it was?  Coach K maybe could get another win or two out of this bunch due to straight up coaching, but the makeup of the team is fundamentally flawed.  We do not have a point guard.  That makes it very difficult to get much more out of this bunch than what Wojo got. 

A good year considering the makeup of the team.  So considering that, I guess it is question of whether or not Wojo has the recruiting skills and ability.  I don't follow that as much as others, so someone else can answer that question.  As far as coaching goes, I think he has come a long way in five years and certainly deserves a few more years. 

Tough finish to regular season to be sure.  But honestly, looking at this team we could lose our next two games and the season is over, or we could go on a Kemba type run.  Both are possible.  All depends on taking care of the ball and making the shots.

[Shooter McGavin]

Correct.  This feels like the incomplete (but exciting) roster that will hopefully get us the recruiting classes that will lead to more well rounded rosters in the coming years.  Rosters we can all puff out our chests about with confidence. 

Wojo is going to get two NCAA tournaments in a row with this flawed roster and I think that speaks to the upward direction of the program and him as a coach.   Success will become exponential if he hits on the next class.   

Best part is we can still do well in the next two weeks or flame out badly and the long term projection for this year has already been met.  It  would suck at 1,000 feet from  the ground to lose this week and next but the 20,000 foot view is good and the Administration knows it.

2020 class is a big one.  Will define Wojo. 

[Newsdreams]

Can we stop pretending that Marcus Howard's wrist is okay?

Who is Marcus?

[Newsdreams]

I think by wrist you mean ego ?

No I'm pretty sure his wrist injury is worse than most think. After that fall he has not shot the same from deep or FT line (no matta, hey)

[Silent Verbal]

Correct.  This feels like the incomplete (but exciting) roster that will hopefully get us the recruiting classes that will lead to more well rounded rosters in the coming years.  Rosters we can all puff out our chests about with confidence. 

Wojo is going to get two NCAA tournaments in a row with this flawed roster and I think that speaks to the upward direction of the program and him as a coach.   Success will become exponential if he hits on the next class.   

Best part is we can still do well in the next two weeks or flame out badly and the long term projection for this year has already been met.  It  would suck at 1,000 feet from  the ground to lose this week and next but the 20,000 foot view is good and the Administration knows it.

2020 class is a big one.  Will define Wojo.

Ugh.  Many people on here were saying that years 5 and 6, when Markus and Sam were upperclassmen, would be the ones to define Wojo.  However, since we've hit this skid, it's being said that this year's roster (and next year's, too!) is "flawed" and it really is quite an accomplishment after all that Wojo was able to win all these games with this island of misfit toys.

I call bullchit.  First of all, college coaches are the GMs of their teams.  Wojo himself is responsible for this "flawed" roster.  He's been here five years, these are all his guys playing in his system.

Second, this team saw the additions of Morrow and Chartouney, a big man with two years of high major experience under his belt and a grad transfer point guard who was supposed to be the last missing piece that would take us over the top.  Morrow's been less than advertised and Chartouney, outside of a game or two, has been a complete bust who barely got off the bench in the last game of the regular season.  On paper, our roster might look "flawed" without those two guys who everyone thought would be just what we needed to take the next step.  In reality, they just haven't been huge difference makers, and that's on Wojo and his staff.

And finally, we also added a freshman forward who likely would've been a McDonald's AA had he played his senior year of high school.

If that's what a flawed roster looks like, I'll take two!  But yeah, let's wait for a recruiting class two years down the road before we can really evaluate Wojo.

[WarriorDad]

He took over a program that had made the NCAA tournament 8 of the previous 9 years with 2 S16s and 1 E8 in the 4 previous years.

This is also correct, but what I said is, too.

The question one needs to ask is what is more relevant to immediate success?

A team that made it several years ago but most of those players are gone and the existing roster plus incoming recruits are not that great?

In my opinion the greater indicator would be the most recent season and the roster you take over, both existing players and the recruits.  When the previous coach leaves, kids tend to leave and it also hurts recruiting until the new person has a chance.

Do you disagree?  Or is what you did a few years ago with kids no longer on the team the better predictor?  If so, how?

[Mike Deane's Seat Belt]

This is wrong.

He took over a program that did not make the pos season to one that will appear in their third post season tournament in five years, finished second and still has games in front of them.

The end of the season has been disappointing every bit as much as the first 85% was wonderful.

We beat Big 12 champions K State.  Beat Wisconsin 3rd time in four years. Beat defending national champion Villanova, beat Louisville, beat ranked Buffalo.

The other Big East teams improved.  What I have noticed is since Marku was hurt at the end of Providence game, he has not been the same.  Wrist or groin, not the same.

We have lost each of these games in different ways.  Turnovers.  Yesterday was terrible shooting.  To say we have accomplished nothing doesn't seem accurate to me.  This is a good team that badly needs a win right now.

DePaul is playing much better and St. John's at home will not be easy.  Seton Hall essentially at home will not be either.

are you seriously counting a trip to the NIT in with your post season tourney appearances positive note for wojo??????

[WarriorDad]

are you seriously counting a trip to the NIT in with your post season tourney appearances positive note for wojo??????

Is a NIT appearance no longer considered a post season trip?  Is the university removing the NIT championship banner and all the NIT appearances over the years?