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[BM1090]

If that's true, why are they going to school? They don't have to.  Reality is, schools help MAKE them stars.  You think anyone would know Markus if he was in the G League right now? Nope.  Win win.   Elite players choose to go to school because it makes them better, gives them exposure, sets them up to be drafted....all BENEFITING the player. And oh by the way, for the ones that give a damn, they also get an education.  Win win.

Because the alternatives are stupid. Just because school for a year is a better option than the G league or Europe doesn't mean the star players aren't being exploited.

Markus is a different case.

[Cheeks]

Because the alternatives are stupid. Just because school for a year is a better option than the G league or Europe doesn't mean the star players aren't being exploited.

Markus is a different case.

Exploited...good one. 

[Cheeks]

Why call him a clown...you've never said anything stupid?  That said, he is trying to stir debate, and I respect anyone who thinks we should do more to support kids and less to support people who try to profit off them while giving the "they have it great" line.

Those "profits" go to giving opportunities to other men and women, mostly minorities, in other sports.  He's a clown because he knows his statement is patently false.  100% false, to suggest they get NOTHING. It is a farce the moment it leaves his lips.

[Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist]

Markus has previously stated how grateful he is for all that comes with being on scholarship at Marquette.  Markus is the opposite of Nigel Hayes

[BM1090]

Exploited...good one. 

To be clear, I'm not referring to Markus. He seems to love the college system.

Zion should be making 10 Million+ this year but he is prevented from doing that in this country. Honestly not sure what he could make in Europe for a year.

[Nukem2]

To be clear, I'm not referring to Markus. He seems to love the college system.

Zion should be making 10 Million+ this year but he is prevented from doing that in this country. Honestly not sure what he could make in Europe for a year.

Its not about the college system.  It's the NBA age limit that is preventing Zion from those $$$.

[ChuckyChip]

To be clear, I'm not referring to Markus. He seems to love the college system.

Zion should be making 10 Million+ this year but he is prevented from doing that in this country. Honestly not sure what he could make in Europe for a year.

Remember though, it's not the "college system" that is forcing Zion to go to college.  The NBA rule prevents him from turning pro and playing in their league.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

NCAA student athletes get a ton in compensation. 99% of them are fairly or overpaid.

1% are very underpaid.

Personally, I think allowing them to make money off their likenesses would be the most sensible solution. The 1% can get paid what they are worth from outside sources and none of the 99% lose their opportunities (which would happen to a lot of them if universities were required to pay their athletes).

[Lennys Tap]

Those "profits" go to giving opportunities to other men and women, mostly minorities, in other sports.  He's a clown because he knows his statement is patently false.  100% false, to suggest they get NOTHING. It is a farce the moment it leaves his lips.

Glad to see you're still a capitalist where you're concerned and a socialist on behalf of others.

[Cheeks]

Glad to see you're still a capitalist where you're concerned and a socialist on behalf of others.

Nuance...no such thing as pure capitalism here in the US, and as we have discussed at length, the NCAA uses the basketball revenue from the TV contracts (in full disclosure, my employer pays a HUGE amount of that contract) to fund opportunities for men and women, primarily minorities with those dollars.  Yup, socialism in some cases is fantastic.  Capitalism in some cases is fantastic. Nuance.

[BM1090]

Its not about the college system.  It's the NBA age limit that is preventing Zion from those $$$.

I'm aware. And that will be changed in a couple years.

[Cheeks]

I'm aware. And that will be changed in a couple years.

Maybe.

[Lennys Tap]

Its not about the college system.  It's the NBA age limit that is preventing Zion from those $$$.

This is a good point, but there is still something inherently unfair about Zion W picking up the tab for some soccer player at Duke whom nobody would pay to see.

[Marqevans]

I think even Marquette said that it costs near $250,000 per athlete to cover tuition, tutors, travel, housing, etc.   can't remember where I saw that

You left out tatoo money.

[GooooMarquette]

There are an awful lot of bad things in the world to get worked up about.

Even for those who consider it "exploitation"...the "exploitation" of the 0.1% of college hoops players who could be making money at 18 if the NBA didn't prohibit it should be really low on the list.

[Lennys Tap]

There are an awful lot of bad things in the world to get worked up about.

Even for those who consider it "exploitation"...the "exploitation" of the 0.1% of college hoops players who could be making money at 18 if the NBA didn't prohibit it should be really low on the list.

Agreed - unless you're the guy being exploited.

[GooooMarquette]

Agreed - unless you're the guy being exploited.

Yeah, but in a year, he'll sign a contract that will pay more than the other 99.9% will make in their entire careers.

[source?]

If NBA players feel they were exploited while in college, they should use their considerable income and national platform to duke it out with the NBA owners and the NCAA over the 1 and done rule. I seriously doubt anyone playing anything but the top level of European or Chinese  basketball leagues feels their lives are better post college.

[The Sultan]

If NBA players feel they were exploited while in college, they should use their considerable income and national platform to duke it out with the NBA owners and the NCAA over the 1 and done rule.

The NBA Players Association opposes the one and done rule.

[Nukem2]

This is a good point, but there is still something inherently unfair about Zion W picking up the tab for some soccer player at Duke whom nobody would pay to see.

Check out the NBA.....

[source?]

The NBA Players Association opposes the one and done rule.

Yes, but they aren't putting in much of an effort to get rid of it. I think the whole issue goes away when one and done is gone so I fully support getting rid of it. However, until the people who actually went through it consider it more than a minor speed bump on their way to the pros I will not be too concerned about "exploited" athletes. For guys who aren't good enough to make the big time (Nigel Hayes et al), take a job in a minor league or quit bitchin. You are getting far more than you are worth.

[The Sultan]

Yes, but they aren't putting in much of an effort to get rid of it.

That's not accurate at all.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/20/nba-nbpa-lowering-age-limit-ending-one-and-done-talks-standstill

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2801901-woj-nba-nbpa-struggling-to-reach-an-agreement-on-end-of-one-and-done-rule

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24513084/in-step-abolition-one-done-rule-basketball-stakeholders-align-support-usa-basketball

[1318WWells]

I'm aware. And that will be changed in a couple years.

The NBA doesn't trust themselves to draft these kids out of high school. Too many wasted contracts on kids who never deserved the money they got. For every Kobe there are ten Kwame Browns. For every LeBron there are ten Disanga Diops. The NBA instituted the one and done rule to save themselves millions. Make the kids prove their talents one year on the college level and pass the savings (some anyway) to NBA veterans who have earned it. I think the NBA is closer to pushing it to two years in college than repealing the one and done rule.

The PR Zion has received playing at Duke is worth more than the millions he could have made playing in Europe this year. That's why he's at Duke.

And you can't let the players cash in on their likeness while in college because it would take away the level playing field. The shoe companies would just do what their doing now on a larger scale, eliminating Cinderella from the dance. Just because some cheat and get away with it, you don't have to make the cheating legal.

[source?]

That's not accurate at all.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/20/nba-nbpa-lowering-age-limit-ending-one-and-done-talks-standstill

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2801901-woj-nba-nbpa-struggling-to-reach-an-agreement-on-end-of-one-and-done-rule

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24513084/in-step-abolition-one-done-rule-basketball-stakeholders-align-support-usa-basketball

It is completely reasonable for owners to want access to all information before making a multi-million dollar decision. If the PA can't make that work then they are not dedicated to getting rid of one and done.

[Heisenberg]

I don't understand this thread and the mentality of it at all, especially Chico's.  This mentality that "we treat them well on our plantation" by giving them "three square meals, a nice bed, and English Composition 101" is borderline racist.

Why are we afraid to pay these kids?  What evil comes from it?  If the scholarship is worth what you say it is, then their is little risk to offering pay.