Q1 Wins

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Thought fans would be interested to know that thanks to recent surges by Georgetown and Kansas State, we are in sole possession of 3rd place in the category of Q1 wins. Our 7 Q1 wins are more than any other program in the NCAA other than Michigan State and Kansas' 8 Q1 wins. We have more Q1 wins than Virginia, Duke, Tennessee, Gonzaga, Kentucky, Nevada, Michigan, and North Carolina which is every team currently ranked in front of us.

Will be interesting to see how the committee weighs those when they release their top 16 teams.

[brewcity77]

That St John's loss certainly isn't bad, but having no Q2 or worse losses would be huge. Alas.

[MUBigDance]

ugh, I hate that we lost to St.Johns. I got to get over it.

We were sitting behind our goal at the end of the game watching Hauser's heave...that split second thought "it might go in...pleeeeaasssseee!..." ugh.

Facts like this thread make it bearable. Thats a nice stat...I've had a feeling our wins have been doing well. Buffalo ok but hoping for better, etc...

Thanks for the data.

[IrwinFletcher]

Thought fans would be interested to know that thanks to recent surges by Georgetown and Kansas State, we are in sole possession of 3rd place in the category of Q1 wins. Our 7 Q1 wins are more than any other program in the NCAA other than Michigan State and Kansas' 8 Q1 wins. We have more Q1 wins than Virginia, Duke, Tennessee, Gonzaga, Kentucky, Nevada, Michigan, and North Carolina which is every team currently ranked in front of us.

Will be interesting to see how the committee weighs those when they release their top 16 teams.

What about Q1A wins?

[MuMark]

We are 2-2 in quad 1 a games.......12 schools have more quad 1 a wins......as of now.....12 others have the same number but some of them aren't even on the bubble( i.e. Illinois).

Gonzaga has only 1 and it won't stop,them from being a 1 or 2 seed.

[DoctorV]

Is there anyway someone can post the chart of the teams record v Q1a, b, Q2 etc and then some comparables with regards to most q1a wins etc?

It would be awesome to have it easily accessible and updated as February winds down and madness nears.

If there is a website that they keep it all broken down that would work too

Thanks!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What about Q1A wins?

If my numbers are correct, there have been 93 Q1A victories this season. Those 93 victories are divided amongst 52 teams. We are 1 of 23 teams that have multiple Q1A victories with 2. Technically we are tied for 13th.

5 Duke
5 Kansas
4 Michigan State
4 Virginia
3 Kentucky
3 Louisville
3 Maryland
3 Michigan
3 North Carolina
3 Purdue
3 Texas
3 Wisconsin
2 Baylor
2 Florida State
2 Illinois
2 Iowa
2 Iowa State
2 Kansas State
2 Marquette
2 Ohio State
2 Seton Hall
2 Syracuse
2 Virginia Tech
1 Alabama
1 Arizona
1 Arkansas
1 Belmont
1 DePaul
1 Fresno State
1 Furman
1 Georgetown
1 Gonzaga
1 Indiana
1 Lipscomb
1 LSU
1 Minnesota
1 New Mexico
1 Notre Dame
1 Oklahoma State
1 Ole Miss
1 Penn State
1 Pittsburgh
1 Providence
1 Radford
1 St. John's
1 Stephen F Austin
1 Temple
1 Tennessee
1 Texas Tech
1 Texas Southern
1 VCU
1 Western Kentucky

1 thing I will point out is that for whatever reason, the Big 10 has benefited tremendously this season from NET. They have 25 of the 93 Q1A victories, most of any conference. Most of them are against each other. For example, NET #36 Ohio State and NET #37 Nebraska are a combined 7-15 in conference play. 7 of the Big 10's  25 Q1A wins come from winning at Ohio State and at Nebraska.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Other interesting facts:

Marquette has more Q1A victories than the entire PAC 12 combined (1).

Villanova not yet on the Q1A scoreboard. With current NET rankings, our game on Saturday and their game at St. John's the following Sunday are their last two opportunities unless they see us in the BET. Their neutral court win over Florida State is close to the cutoff at #27 but that game at St. John's is even closer to the cutoff at #39.

[UWW2MU]

If my numbers are correct, there have been 93 Q1A victories this season. Those 93 victories are divided amongst 52 teams. We are 1 of 23 teams that have multiple Q1A victories with 2. Technically we are tied for 13th.

5 Duke
5 Kansas
4 Michigan State
4 Virginia
3 Kentucky
3 Louisville
3 Maryland
3 Michigan
3 North Carolina
3 Purdue
3 Texas
3 Wisconsin
2 Baylor
2 Florida State
2 Illinois
2 Iowa
2 Iowa State
2 Kansas State
2 Marquette
2 Ohio State
2 Seton Hall
2 Syracuse
2 Virginia Tech
1 Alabama
1 Arizona
1 Arkansas
1 Belmont
1 DePaul
1 Fresno State
1 Furman
1 Georgetown
1 Gonzaga
1 Indiana
1 Lipscomb
1 LSU
1 Minnesota
1 New Mexico
1 Notre Dame
1 Oklahoma State
1 Ole Miss
1 Penn State
1 Pittsburgh
1 Providence
1 Radford
1 St. John's
1 Stephen F Austin
1 Temple
1 Tennessee
1 Texas Tech
1 Texas Southern
1 VCU
1 Western Kentucky

1 thing I will point out is that for whatever reason, the Big 10 has benefited tremendously this season from NET. They have 25 of the 93 Q1A victories, most of any conference. Most of them are against each other. For example, NET #36 Ohio State and NET #37 Nebraska are a combined 7-15 in conference play. 7 of the Big 10's  25 Q1A wins come from winning at Ohio State and at Nebraska.

This is what has really bugged me about the new NET system.  I think it's a good idea and is playing out "ok" so far... except that a conference as a whole seems to become rather insular.  Thus, once they had a few good performances during non-con, the conference as a whole gets a huge boost as conference play began.  Now you see teams that are not that great (I'm looking at you especially, Nebraska) that get far over rated in my opinion.

At least this is the impression I get after seeing some of these Big Ten schools play.

[MUBigDance]

Is there anyway someone can post the chart of the teams record v Q1a, b, Q2 etc and then some comparables with regards to most q1a wins etc?

It would be awesome to have it easily accessible and updated as February winds down and madness nears.

If there is a website that they keep it all broken down that would work too

Thanks!

for those looking for the pages...I search on "ncaa RPI archives" and use this page:
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx
search on Men/Basketball

Nitty Gritty doesn't have a,b but good visual for Q1,2,3,4 comparison.

[GooooMarquette]

In the end, it's still a bunch of sausage-making. The committee just decided to use casings made out of NET instead of RPI...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is what has really bugged me about the new NET system.  I think it's a good idea and is playing out "ok" so far... except that a conference as a whole seems to become rather insular.  Thus, once they had a few good performances during non-con, the conference as a whole gets a huge boost as conference play began.  Now you see teams that are not that great (I'm looking at you especially, Nebraska) that get far over rated in my opinion.

At least this is the impression I get after seeing some of these Big Ten schools play.

This made me curious. You are right, a lot of teams are going to to get more opportunities in conference play than others. Here are the numbers for non-conference Q1A wins:

3 (5) Duke
3 (5)Kansas
2 (4) Virginia
2 (3) Kentucky
2 (3) Michigan
2 (3) North Carolina
2 (3) Texas
2 (2) Florida State
2 (2) Marquette
2 (2) Seton Hall
1 (3) Louisville
1 (2) Iowa
1 (2) Ohio State
1 (2) Syracuse
1 (1) Penn State
1 (1) Providence
0 (4) Michigan State
0 (3) Maryland
0 (3) Purdue
0 (3) Wisconsin
0 (2) Baylor
0 (2) Illinois
0 (2) Iowa State
0 (2) Kansas State
0 (1) Indiana
0 (1) Minnesota

I was too lazy to look at all the other teams that have won 1 Q1A game. But the Big 10 had all of 5 Q1A victories in the non-conference. The ACC matched that with Duke and Virginia alone. The Big 12 matched it with Kansas and Texas alone. Hell, that's how many the Big East had despite 4 less teams. So that does raise the question, if the Big 10 wasn't getting big wins in non-conference, why did they end up with so many teams at the the top of NET? I may dive deeper into this later.

[BrewCity83]

I was too lazy to look at all the other teams that have won 1 Q1A game. But the Big 10 had all of 5 Q1A victories in the non-conference. The ACC matched that with Duke and Virginia alone. The Big 12 matched it with Kansas and Texas alone. Hell, that's how many the Big East had despite 4 less teams. So that does raise the question, if the Big 10 wasn't getting big wins in non-conference, why did they end up with so many teams at the the top of NET? I may dive deeper into this later.

That is the million-dollar question.

[UWW2MU]

This made me curious. You are right, a lot of teams are going to to get more opportunities in conference play than others. Here are the numbers for non-conference Q1A wins:

3 (5) Duke
3 (5)Kansas
2 (4) Virginia
2 (3) Kentucky
2 (3) Michigan
2 (3) North Carolina
2 (3) Texas
2 (2) Florida State
2 (2) Marquette
2 (2) Seton Hall
1 (3) Louisville
1 (2) Iowa
1 (2) Ohio State
1 (2) Syracuse
1 (1) Penn State
1 (1) Providence
0 (4) Michigan State
0 (3) Maryland
0 (3) Purdue
0 (3) Wisconsin
0 (2) Baylor
0 (2) Illinois
0 (2) Iowa State
0 (2) Kansas State
0 (1) Indiana
0 (1) Minnesota

I was too lazy to look at all the other teams that have won 1 Q1A game. But the Big 10 had all of 5 Q1A victories in the non-conference. The ACC matched that with Duke and Virginia alone. The Big 12 matched it with Kansas and Texas alone. Hell, that's how many the Big East had despite 4 less teams. So that does raise the question, if the Big 10 wasn't getting big wins in non-conference, why did they end up with so many teams at the the top of NET? I may dive deeper into this later.

I don't have the time with 5 month old at home to check this... but I wonder what the correlation is between these teams NET ranking and their standings with Kenpom/T-rank/etc.   If strong, I'd say that shows me that NET leans a lot more towards predictive analytics than it does wins and losses.  Which is unfortunate because the predictive analytics can be swayed (whether on purpose or just b/c of style of play) just like RPI, even if not as easily.  You can have a couple teams that work very well in the mold of the analytics and that brings up their entire conference. 

At least this is my hypothesis.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I don't have the time with 5 month old at home to check this... but I wonder what the correlation is between these teams NET ranking and their standings with Kenpom/T-rank/etc.   If strong, I'd say that shows me that NET leans a lot more towards predictive analytics than it does wins and losses.  Which is unfortunate because the predictive analytics can be swayed (whether on purpose or just b/c of style of play) just like RPI, even if not as easily.  You can have a couple teams that work very well in the mold of the analytics and that brings up their entire conference. 

At least this is my hypothesis.

This table is pretty handy, with team names linking to their teamsheets:

http://barttorvik.com/teamsheets.php

[UWW2MU]

This table is pretty handy, with team names linking to their teamsheets:

http://barttorvik.com/teamsheets.php

Well well, let's export that table and get our regression on!   (I actually... still don't have time to do that...)

[brewcity77]

The most interesting change with RPI to NET may be Kansas. The Jayhawks are tied for the lead in the country in Q1A wins, Q1 wins, and have the most combined Q1+2 wins. They are #1 in SOS & RPI but 18th in the NET. The system change could take them from a certain 1-seed to a 3 or even 4.

[NorthernDancerColt]

In the end, it's still a bunch of sausage-making. The committee just decided to use casings made out of NET instead of RPI...

Just try to picture Al trying to decipher an eye chart consisting of "T-Rank, KenPom, RPI, NET, Q1,Q1a" etc ad infinitum

He would probably quote your reference to "sausage making" and then channel Scooper desRaidaz Al Davis....JUST WIN BABY!

[Heisenberg]

Where will we be in Q1 wins when we beat Nova on Saturday?

[brewcity77]

Where will we be in Q1 wins when we beat Nova on Saturday?

8 overall, but still just 2 Q1A.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Where will we be in Q1 wins when we beat Nova on Saturday?

Theoretically we would move into a three way tie with Michigan State and Kansas because they are playing a Q2 and a Q3 game respectively. However, we could lose some ground if any of our wins drop a category (looking at you Kansas State and Georgetown)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So beating Nova gives us 8 Q1 victories (though it is of the Q1b variety). However, we move from third to tied for 2nd with Kansas, instead of the three way tie for first that I expected. Penn State creeped up to #75 so Michigan State's win at their place just barely counts as Q1 victory. So the top of the Q1 pile is:

9 Michigan State
8 Kansas & Marquette
7 Kentucky
6 or less Everyone else

[PGsHeroes32]

So beating Nova gives us 8 Q1 victories (though it is of the Q1b variety). However, we move from third to tied for 2nd with Kansas, instead of the three way tie for first that I expected. Penn State creeped up to #75 so Michigan State's win at their place just barely counts as Q1 victory. So the top of the Q1 pile is:

9 Michigan State
8 Kansas & Marquette
7 Kentucky
6 or less Everyone else

Will Gtown move out of Q1 with that loss today??