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7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« on: January 11, 2019, 03:42:34 AM »
3 games into BE play and it's pretty clear Wojo has settled into a 7.5 man rotation. Like they always do, our transfers have settled into their roles and are making nice contributions.

But our two-headed 3 (Cain/Bailey) over the past 3 games:

SJU: 21 minutes
X: 10 minutes
CU: 11 minutes

By contrast:

Markus: SJU (26), X(37), CU (43): AVG 35.33
Sam: SJU (37), X(24), CU (42): AVG 34.33
Joey: SJU (28), X(37), CU (35): AVG 33.33
Sacar: SJU (20), X(36), CU (33) AVG 29.66

Ironic of course since all the off-season banter was about how we were going to find minutes for 10 guys, but I'm wondering if going 7.5 isn't going to take a toll as the season rolls on. I know these are 19 and 20 year old elite athletes in their prime, and we're not doing a pitch-count, but is running 3 or 4 guys near-max minutes going to catch up to them? Especially with short-turn arounds?

In other words, how important for our conference success is it for Cain or Bailey to step up and put in 20 minutes consistently as the "8th man"? Will we drop a game we might have otherwise won because of "tired legs"?
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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 06:39:30 AM »
Look at the minutes Nova players played last year (and most years). It didn’t seem to hurt them, or if it did then they were even better than they showed on the court and that is absurd.

They’re 18-22 year old kids. Markus, Sam, Joey, and Sacar should be playing 30+ minutes/game. They’re our 4 best players.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 06:49:41 AM »
No 8th man is ever going to see 20 minutes.

And your averages are skewed because we just had to play OT.  I'm assuming you aren't suggesting that Markus shoulda sat!   ;D

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 07:08:30 AM »
Right, I'm suggesting we have a two-headed 8th man (Bailey/Cain) - looking at their collective minutes as the "8".

Also minutes are up from including the OT game, but even if you take away ~2 minutes from the averages.

If we look back to the off-season discussions  I suppose we all though Sam and Markus would be playing 30-35.

I think the biggest surprise is Joey at around 30 and Sacar at 25+.

It will be interesting to see if they all have the same pop in their legs for Seton Hall.
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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 07:11:52 AM »
I think either Cain or Bailey is about to have a breakthrough game and take over the 8th spot in the rotation.     I feel an 8-10 pt, 15-18 minute game coming from one of them.   
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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 07:15:03 AM »
I think either Cain or Bailey is about to have a breakthrough game and take over the 8th spot in the rotation.     I feel an 8-10 pt, 15-18 minute game coming from one of them.

Would be great - I think Sacar is really stepping up but it's nice to have some kind of comparable sevicable replacement if/when he has a flat night.
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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 07:19:58 AM »
Part of it is also the loss of Greg. He probably could have seen 15 mpg, give or take, especially against an offense like SJ or Creighton.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 07:53:57 AM »
I think either Cain or Bailey is about to have a breakthrough game and take over the 8th spot in the rotation.     I feel an 8-10 pt, 15-18 minute game coming from one of them.

I think Sam is more due for a 25 point game than Jamal or Brendan are for a 10 point game.  I don't think they'll get the ball enough with how we play offense for that.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 08:10:36 AM »

They’re 18-22 year old kids.

This.  And that for every 1 game minute, they practice/condition/lift ~5 minutes, maybe 10.  Playing an extra 5 minutes a game shouldn't be that big a deal.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 08:11:06 AM »
Nobody was in foul trouble in the Creighton game, so there was less need for Cain or Bailey to play.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 09:04:10 AM »
SJU plays 6 or 6.5 guys as well.  If you are worried about MU, then Mullin should be terrified.

In Novas win vs SJU, Booth and Paschall scored 50 of their 70 ish points.  Don’t think anyone else was in double figures.  They are not getting a lot of help from their bench either.

This is why coaches back off their practices as the season wears on.  18-21 years old or not, the season is a grind and it can physically wear on a player.  That is why it would be nice to have a blowout or two along the way and let guys play 25-28 minutes.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 09:25:42 AM »
I became more optimistic on the season when a smaller rotation looked likely to happen. I was not a fan of a 9-10 man rotation with this group. Far better chance of competing on nightly basis by playing the best players. There is a drop off when you get past 7.5 in my book.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 10:02:43 AM »
Nobody was in foul trouble in the Creighton game, so there was less need for Cain or Bailey to play.

Sacar fouled out

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 10:02:56 PM »
I think either Cain or Bailey is about to have a breakthrough game and take over the 8th spot in the rotation.     I feel an 8-10 pt, 15-18 minute game coming from one of them.

Bump.   Self high five
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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 10:05:19 PM »
Nobody says "It's only a game" when their team is winning.

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Re: 7.5 Man Rotation and Minutes
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 10:07:37 PM »
GO WARRIORS!