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Not a whole lot of good tonight

Started by Mr. Sand-Knit, January 01, 2019, 08:22:26 PM

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skianth16

Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2019, 06:00:14 AM
Congratulations.  Something new for you to whine about.    Some teams are bad match ups.   Marquette was a bad match up for Wisconsin, Kansas State, Buffalo.  St. Johns on the road was a bad match up.  They kicked MU's butt.   Next.

I don't buy this. Having a caveat of "on the road" shouldn't be a part of whether a team is a bad matchup or not. It's about personnel and style of play, which are the same regardless of where a game is played. If you want to say that we don't match up well with SJU because they're quicker and more athletic than us, sure I'll buy that, but that's true in both NYC and Milwaukee.

Also, just saying any game that is lost is a bad matchup doesn't make sense either. Buffalo was on the receiving end of one of the best the best offensive halves of basketball in NCAA history. They matched up fine with Markus. He just went nuts. If we had torched them inside, then yeah, maybe it was a bad matchup since they're smaller. But our size advantage wasn't the reason we ran away with that one.

brewcity77

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2019, 09:01:01 AM
Well they should be 14-0 as the refs absolutely stole the game at Seton Hall from them. Can't be much better than that. And I assume there are at least a few teams out there who might lose legitimately to Seton Hall on the road or MU at home.

The refs stole the game at SHU and made the game unplayable for MU, so basically one hand washing the other. But you're right, those are losable games. But their 12-0 start I think would've been replicated by most if not all of the league.
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BM1090

Quote from: skianth16 on January 02, 2019, 10:16:47 AM
I don't buy this. Having a caveat of "on the road" shouldn't be a part of whether a team is a bad matchup or not. It's about personnel and style of play, which are the same regardless of where a game is played. If you want to say that we don't match up well with SJU because they're quicker and more athletic than us, sure I'll buy that, but that's true in both NYC and Milwaukee.

Also, just saying any game that is lost is a bad matchup doesn't make sense either. Buffalo was on the receiving end of one of the best the best offensive halves of basketball in NCAA history. They matched up fine with Markus. He just went nuts. If we had torched them inside, then yeah, maybe it was a bad matchup since they're smaller. But our size advantage wasn't the reason we ran away with that one.

It's true in both venues, but it is more true in a venue where SJU is going to get more calls and make more shots. They still aren't a good matchup for us in Milwaukee, but I think we'll be fine. I think Buffalo was a pretty bad matchup for us too but we caught fire. Kansas State and Wisconsin are much better matchups for us. Kansas was a decent matchup for us too, they are just more talented.

Looking at the next 5 games....I think we match up pretty well with Xavier. Creighton is going to score on us but they won't stop us either. I think we match up well with Seton Hall mostly because Willard runs an offense that doesn't give us a ton of trouble. I haven't watched Georgetown much. Govan will be tough to deal with but I think other than that we're just better. And for the first time in forever, I think we matchup well with Providence.

This game sucked. But I think we end up beating X, losing to Creighton in a heartbreaker, then winning the following 4 games.

muwarrior69

Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant.   

I bet you have that posted at the fire station.

79Warrior

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2019, 10:38:04 AM
The refs stole the game at SHU and made the game unplayable for MU, so basically one hand washing the other. But you're right, those are losable games. But their 12-0 start I think would've been replicated by most if not all of the league.

The refs were a factor, but we played poorly. When Markus goes 2-15 and we shoot 29% from the three point line it is tough to win.

tower912

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JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

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St. Johns is a super talented team of street ballers.  When they're on, they're going to be really tough to beat. When they're not, they are going to get smoked.

To be honest, I don't think any D1 teams beats St Johns last night with the way the game was called.  Marquette played very poorly, but they also just ran into a buzzsaw.

Just have to tip your cap and move onto the next one.  It will be a nice teaching experience for Wojo, and I doubt we see another 32 minute stretch of reffing that one sided again this season.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

GGGG

"Street ballers??"

They play a lot like Buzz's Marquette teams did.  Spread the floor with switchables, attack the basket, and move the ball.  I have watched about two and a half of their games this year, and I have been pretty impressed with how far they have come. I also really don't understand the criticism of Mullin either.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 02, 2019, 02:15:03 PM
"Street ballers??"

They play a lot like Buzz's Marquette teams did.  Spread the floor with switchables, attack the basket, and move the ball.  I have watched about two and a half of their games this year, and I have been pretty impressed with how far they have come. I also really don't understand the criticism of Mullin either.

SJU is very entertaining to watch, but they're so undisciplined.  A ton of hero ball. A ton of ally-opp attempts and crazy passes.  Undersized bigs.  They're super talented, and when they play like they did last night they're going to be extremely difficult to beat without terribly one-sided officiating for the first 75% of the game. With the poor officiating, we never really stood a chance without Markus going off for 50, and that obviously didn't happen. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

79Warrior

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 02, 2019, 02:23:01 PM
SJU is very entertaining to watch, but they're so undisciplined.  A ton of hero ball. A ton of ally-opp attempts and crazy passes.  Undersized bigs.  They're super talented, and when they play like they did last night they're going to be extremely difficult to beat without terribly one-sided officiating for the first 75% of the game. With the poor officiating, we never really stood a chance without Markus going off for 50, and that obviously didn't happen.

Refs were bad, but hardly the reason we lost. Refs did not make Markus go 2-15. We lost that game on our own.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on January 02, 2019, 02:15:03 PM
"Street ballers??"

They play a lot like Buzz's Marquette teams did.  Spread the floor with switchables, attack the basket, and move the ball.  I have watched about two and a half of their games this year, and I have been pretty impressed with how far they have come. I also really don't understand the criticism of Mullin either.
Follow up on the game from the NY Post.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/01/st-johns-delivers-emphatic-win-after-seton-hall-controversy/
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JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: 79Warrior on January 02, 2019, 02:34:29 PM
Refs were bad, but hardly the reason we lost. Refs did not make Markus go 2-15. We lost that game on our own.

No doubt.  I literally said in the post that SJU would be terribly difficult to beat when they play like that WITHOUT assistance from the refs.

The refs are not the reason MU lost the game.  But the first 30 minutes of the game MU was called for every single ticky tack foul possible while SJU was handsy AF and abusing guys in the paint and it was continually allowed to play on.  Also several SJU travels not called that lead to points.  And the double tech shouldn't have been a tech on Theo, who did nothing.  And Heron should have gotten tech'd for slamming the ball on the floor after a dunk and the ball almost went to half court (game was already over at that point though).

There were a ton of bad calls, but MU played bad and wouldn't have won the game even if it were called more evenly. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

skianth16

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 02, 2019, 02:23:01 PM
SJU is very entertaining to watch, but they're so undisciplined.  A ton of hero ball. A ton of ally-opp attempts and crazy passes.  Undersized bigs.  They're super talented, and when they play like they did last night they're going to be extremely difficult to beat without terribly one-sided officiating for the first 75% of the game. With the poor officiating, we never really stood a chance without Markus going off for 50, and that obviously didn't happen.

I think some of the "undisciplined" stuff we saw last night is just what you tend to see from good athletes who feel like they're in control of a game. When you're up big, especially in a big game, college kids sometimes show off a bit and go for some big plays. Maybe that's undisciplined, but I think more than anything, it's just kids having fun playing basketball.

Having a 20+ minute stretch without a turnover might be a fluke, but that seems like a pretty disciplined team to me. After starting the game off a little sloppy/carless on offense, they did a really good job of protecting the ball, which played a role in helping them pull away in the second half.

MUBigDance

I think we can say that STJ is better than we all thought. Two good games against good teams (SH,MU). But the reality will only be proven over time.

don't mind the Sand Troll. He zapped me a week ago and I notice its his modus operandi.

willie warrior

Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2019, 06:00:14 AM
Congratulations.  Something new for you to whine about.    Some teams are bad match ups.   Marquette was a bad match up for Wisconsin, Kansas State, Buffalo.  St. Johns on the road was a bad match up.  They kicked MU's butt.   Next.
Next what? Ass kicking????
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Quote from: willie warrior on January 02, 2019, 05:58:54 PM
Next what? Ass kicking????
He who hath the wee'est of willies whines worst.
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