Bracketology Thread 2018-19

[Benny B]

I reviewed the bracketing procedure.  The earliest teams from the same conference can meet:

1) In the 2nd round if they played once.
2) In the regional semifinals  (Sweet 16) if they played twice (regular season and conference tournament).
3) In the regional finals (Elite 8) if they play 3 times (regular season and conference tournament).

So if Marquette and Villanova do not play each other in the conference tournament, they could be slotted the way Palm has them in his latest bracket.

However,  that would still be considered poor form.  The committee would try to avoid doing so, as long as the rest of the bracket is not disrupted.

I don't actually have the algorithm or proof to back this up, but I believe there's something to keeping the top 2-3 teams from a conference split into separate regions that is more than simply for purposes of form/balance/fairness/equability.  For example, even if you could put UNC and Duke, or Nova and MU, or UK and Tennessee, etc. into the same region, doing so increases your chances of indirectly creating more violations of bracketing guidelines than had you put them into separate regions to begin with.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I don't actually have the algorithm or proof to back this up, but I believe there's something to keeping the top 2-3 teams from a conference split into separate regions that is more than simply for purposes of form/balance/fairness/equability.  For example, even if you could put UNC and Duke, or Nova and MU, or UK and Tennessee, etc. into the same region, doing so increases your chances of indirectly creating more violations of bracketing guidelines than had you put them into separate regions to begin with.

This brings up a separate point on bracketing procedure.  Teams from the same conference that are a 4 seed or better must be placed in separate regions.

However,  that only applies to the first four teams from a conference.  If a conference has five teams with 4 seeds or better, the first four go to separate regions.  The 5th team would then be placed in accordance with the other bracketing procedure. 

[dgies9156]

So as long as we're insisting on jerking around with the Palm, here's Benny's prognostication for most excellent ideal MU tourney path:

Hartford
vs. 14-LUC
vs. 11-Minnesota

Kansas City
vs. 7-Virginny Polytechnickin Edumacation Insteetushun
vs. 4-LSU

Minneapolis
vs. 2-Tennessee
vs. 3-Texas Tech

Final Score: TTU 77; MU 91

I was looking at Lundardi's trends since late November. He's had us, literally, at every first round site except Columbia, SC.  Seems like we end up most frequently in Hartford or Tulsa.

I know Brother Benny you want us in Des Moines or Columbus but I would be very happy if our Warriors ended up in Jacksonville. A short hop up Interstate 95 and I'm there! Afternoon sessions would be nice too, saves a hotel bill.

[Cheeks]

I reviewed the bracketing procedure.  The earliest teams from the same conference can meet:

1) In the 2nd round if they played once.
2) In the regional semifinals  (Sweet 16) if they played twice (regular season and conference tournament).
3) In the regional finals (Elite 8) if they play 3 times (regular season and conference tournament).

So if Marquette and Villanova do not play each other in the conference tournament, they could be slotted the way Palm has them in his latest bracket.

However,  that would still be considered poor form.  The committee would try to avoid doing so, as long as the rest of the bracket is not disrupted.

Nicely done

[IrwinFletcher]

I reviewed the bracketing procedure.  The earliest teams from the same conference can meet:

1) In the 2nd round if they played once.
2) In the regional semifinals  (Sweet 16) if they played twice (regular season and conference tournament).
3) In the regional finals (Elite 8) if they play 3 times (regular season and conference tournament).

So if Marquette and Villanova do not play each other in the conference tournament, they could be slotted the way Palm has them in his latest bracket.

However,  that would still be considered poor form.  The committee would try to avoid doing so, as long as the rest of the bracket is not disrupted.

When you have 4 teams from a single conference in the tournament  it is easier to keep them separated until very late.  I think the above rules are more in play when a conference has 7/8 teams playing.

[geps]

I definitely feel like that was the case in 2013 as well Benny. Thought Marquette lost their chance for a 3 seed after their god awful showing in the BET. That is when I learned how little conference tourney results actually matter if you've been a lock since January.

Fun Fact: The last 3 three times we got NCAA 3 seeds, we were coming off an 0-1 in Conference Tourney.

'03 Lost to UAB
'12 UL
'13 ND

[GoldenEagle323]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

[Silkk the Shaka]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Drooling at that pat to an E8... not sure we'd get Buffalo for round 2 though. If those were the 6 seeds I'm guessing they'd put Mississippi St. in our region since we played the other three already

[Cheeks]

Drooling at that pat to an E8... not sure we'd get Buffalo for round 2 though. If those were the 6 seeds I'm guessing they'd put Mississippi St. in our region since we played the other three already

Maybe, but the rules don't prohibit us playing them in the second round either....which is why what Palm had the other day was fine, despite your claims it wasn't.

[Norm]

Drooling at that pat to an E8... not sure we'd get Buffalo for round 2 though. If those were the 6 seeds I'm guessing they'd put Mississippi St. in our region since we played the other three already

Vermont and Buffalo will both have a sizeable contingent of fans in Hartford. It would definitely be more like a road game for us in that venue if we had to play them.

[Pakuni]

Andy Katz's latest as MU as a 3 seed out East looking at Vermont and then VaTech/Minnesota.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-02-26/complete-march-madness-field-68-predicted-last-days-march

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

F katz
F wisconsin

[GoldenEagle323]

Andy Katz's latest as MU as a 3 seed out East looking at Vermont and then VaTech/Minnesota.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-02-26/complete-march-madness-field-68-predicted-last-days-march

That looks like a final four run

[BM1090]

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/

Did not drop a spot after last night.

[JWags85]

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/

Did not drop a spot after last night.

Like our positioning but Wisky as 15 is a joke. SJU at 30 is kind of a joke too.

[muguru]

Not that he's the committee or anything but...Lunardi has MU as a #4 now...just as I had suspected.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not that he's the committee or anything but...Lunardi has MU as a #4 now...just as I had suspected.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Yep, with Texas Tech taking the last 3 seed. You may recall that Texas Tech recently beat Kansas by a bajillion points and hasn't lost since the bracket reveal. If we win out the regular season and they lose one more (or Purdue, Kansas, Houston lose one more) we will hop over them. That's assuming that they have actually passed us in the committee's mind.

[fjm]

Yep, with Texas Tech taking the last 3 seed. You may recall that Texas Tech recently beat Kansas by a bajillion points and hasn't lost since the bracket reveal. If we win out the regular season and they lose one more (or Purdue, Kansas, Houston lose one more) we will hop over them. That's assuming that they have actually passed us in the committee's mind.

Yup and that's totally fair in my mind.

[HowardsWorld]

You need to have a freaking pry bar to get Wisconsin off that 4 line. 

[burger]

Most of these guys are just taking the "S curve" and plopping it down on a chart.....

Then they modify it for "conference non-play" rules and they are done.....

They may guess at the last 4 in/out stuff.....But that is about it.....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You need to have a freaking pry bar to get Wisconsin off that 4 line.

Who deserves to be there over them? Personally I would say you should swap them with Florida State. Maybe Virginia Tech. But they are definitely above the other two 5 seeds Iowa State and Maryland.

The top 3 seeds plus Texas Tech and LSU have all been winning. Everyone else below them has been losing an alarming number of games. Lots of parity after the top 14 teams.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Who deserves to be there over them? Personally I would say you should swap them with Florida State. Maybe Virginia Tech. But they are definitely above the other two 5 seeds Iowa State and Maryland.

The top 3 seeds plus Texas Tech and LSU have all been winning. Everyone else below them has been losing an alarming number of games. Lots of parity after the top 14 teams.

I definitely see a top 14.  8 or 9 teams in the running for the 1 and 2 seeds, depending on what the committee thinks of Houston.

Next tier is 15-26.  That means the last two 4 seeds through the  first two 7 seeds have little separation.

[fjm]

This is not MUBB related but saw this and laughed.

https://twitter.com/wabash1kc/status/1101301294600540160?s=21

[Benny B]

This is not MUBB related but saw this and laughed.

https://twitter.com/wabash1kc/status/1101301294600540160?s=21

Ten years ago me would have thought this was hilarious and nothing more. 

Today me looks at this and thinks, "did they honestly think that making Texas Tech the Univision team was a good idea?"

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Not that he's the committee or anything but...Lunardi has MU as a #4 now...just as I had suspected.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Take care of business the rest of the season and MU is safely a 3.  I think 4 is the floor unless we lose 5 in a row, which I can't see happening.