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jesmu84

Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

willie warrior

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 23, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach
Sure wish we could refer to our coach as "seasoned/good"
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CleanishProgram

Quote from: jesmu84 on November 23, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

Last year, (edit...this year, 2018) on Feb 24th, DePaul was soft and poorly coached and they beat us. Marquette was up by 5 at the half.

But then again I don't think Wojo is seasoned or good!!!

BM1090

Quote from: CleanishProgram on November 23, 2018, 11:12:58 PM
Last year, (edit...this year, 2018) on Feb 24th, DePaul was soft and poorly coached and they beat us. Marquette was up by 5 at the half.

But then again I don't think Wojo is seasoned or good!!!

DePaul is a lot of things. They definitely are not soft. That team played hard and physical all year last year.

94Warrior

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Quote from: jesmu84 on November 23, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Don't win games when they're down late in the second half to a seasoned/good opposing coach

Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

wadesworld

Quote from: 94Warrior on November 23, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

So now we'll discount wins because the other team didn't put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo's wins count. M

Mutaman

Quote from: 94Warrior on November 23, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

Mack's teams play hard and give it all they got. We won tonight because that's the way we played too.

skianth16

Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2018, 11:28:05 PM
So now we'll discount wins because the other team didn't put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo's wins count. M

This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 12:17:32 AM
This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

On offense, yes. If this is our defense for the rest of the season I will be pretty happy provided they clean up the offensive boards.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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94Warrior

Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2018, 11:28:05 PM
So now we'll discount wins because the other team didn't put us away huh?

Eff it. None of Wojo's wins count. M

All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or last 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.
 

79Warrior

Quote from: 94Warrior on November 24, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.


Take the win.

wadesworld

Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 12:17:32 AM
This is a win we needed but not one we're saving on the DVR. If we play like this all year, it's going to be a long year.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  We just beat a team that was in a 2 point game at the under 8:00 timeout with Tennessee 2 nights ago.  Louisville is far from a pushover. 

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: 94Warrior on November 24, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
All of Wojo's wins count.  And, this one was critical to our post-season hopes.  I am extremely happy that we won.

However, that doesn't  mean I liked what I saw in the first 38 mins vs UL, 40 mins vs IU, or last 20 mins vs KU.  Many of us had lofty expectations from the day Chartouny committed.  Things aren't playing out quite like we had hoped - frustrating!  If we go 1-2 vs KSU, UW and Buffalo, things are going to get ugly around here.


Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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skianth16

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 24, 2018, 12:52:17 AM
Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.

You're right on this. We forced Louisville to beat us, and when they couldn't, we took advantage and came away with the W.

cheebs09

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 24, 2018, 12:52:17 AM
Did you enjoy the defense? I did personally. The offense was frustrating but I at least appreciated that we weren't beating ourselves. Only 9 TOs despite the offensive struggles. And 2 of those were offensive fouls one of which was especially fishy to me.

My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.

Pakuni

Quote from: 94Warrior on November 23, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
Louisville lost because of some horribly DUMB fouls 30 feet from the basket, and off the ball sending Markus, Joey and Sam to the line.  Gave us 6-8 pts on FT's down the stretch.  We were very fortunate to get to OT.

The first 38 mins were uninspired and ugly.  If everyone is willing to concede Chris Mack (seasoned/good coach) is head and shoulders above Wojo - then that's a problem.

So, if Louisville lost to a soft, uninspired team due to it's own incompetence and dumb play ... what's that say about Chris Mack?

tower912

Quote from: cheebs09 on November 24, 2018, 08:06:14 AM
My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.
Joey had butterfingers for part of the night.         Soft teams with bad coaching lose 19 point first half leads.      What a crock of crap.      There are a lot of teams out there with talent.    There was a lot of fascinating games yesterday.     For those who watch basketball other than Marquette, surely you recognize that MU is not the only team out there that struggles at times.     For teams good enough to have a fanbase that cares, all but a couple have to have the exact same gripes.    Probably not Kansas or Gonzaga.    But I am sure there is an angry subset of Duke fans that think losing to Gonzaga is proof that K is an idiot.   
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: cheebs09 on November 24, 2018, 08:06:14 AM
My only frustration with the defense last night was not securing rebounds. Joey needs to get stronger grabbing the ball. Other than that though, it feels like a much better defensive team relative to the rest of the Wojo era.

Yes. Though I will see that we at least made up for it a little bit by grabbing double digit offensive boards ourselves. I know some were impressed by Ed last night but I wasn't as much. This is why Wojo went and got him, to make sure we don't get destroyed on the offensive glass. He only had 2 rebounds I believe in a game where we needed him to have more.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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fjm

Can someone toss us (me) the Kenton D rankings for us at this point?

(Having played top 50 UL, #2 Kansas and almost top 25 IU) I've got to assume we now have a pretty solid idea for our teams D.

Anti-Dentite

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 24, 2018, 08:39:34 AM
Yes. Though I will see that we at least made up for it a little bit by grabbing double digit offensive boards ourselves. I know some were impressed by Ed last night but I wasn't as much. This is why Wojo went and got him, to make sure we don't get destroyed on the offensive glass. He only had 2 rebounds I believe in a game where we needed him to have more.
I'm happy Morrow showed signs of life, hoping he gets settled in because it was ugly before last night.
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1SE

Quote from: Anti-Dentite on November 24, 2018, 08:46:25 AM
I'm happy Morrow showed signs of life, hoping he gets settled in because it was ugly before last night.

Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.
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Loose Cannon

Quote from: 1SE on November 24, 2018, 08:47:28 AM
Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.

Yeah, I can see it.
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Anti-Dentite

Quote from: 1SE on November 24, 2018, 08:47:28 AM
Still think it is reasonable that Ed and JC will both turn out just fine ala all our recent transfers.
Absolutely.
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🏀

Quote from: fjm on November 24, 2018, 08:42:37 AM
Can someone toss us (me) the Kenton D rankings for us at this point?

(Having played top 50 UL, #2 Kansas and almost top 25 IU) I've got to assume we now have a pretty solid idea for our teams D.

57th in overall defense. 28th in eFG% defense.

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