Cardinal Virtues

[fjm]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

It's actually true. When we win, there are 10-15 posters that don't comment.
When we lose those same 10-15 come out of the wood work and rip everything. I feel bad for them and their kids. It's almost like they don't want to give any praise to our players at all.

I can only assume they also have never give any praise to their own kids.

(Insert argument: I'm not going to praise them! That's like a participation award.)

[forgetful]

It's actually true. When we win, there are 10-15 posters that don't comment.
When we lose those same 10-15 come out of the wood work and rip everything. I feel bad for them and their kids. It's almost like they don't want to give any praise to our players at all.

I can only assume they also have never give any praise to their own kids.

(Insert argument: I'm not going to praise them! That's like a participation award.)

I just assumed they were kids.  I always viewed trolling as the modern day equivalent of prank phone calls.  Something 12-16 year olds do when they are bored, and their parents won't take them to the arcade (modern day; parents took away the xbox).

[tower912]

Marquette: won a game where defense kept them in the game.   
Got 18 pts and 9 rebounds from the center position
Had a freshman at the foul line at crunch time with enough moxie, despite multiple freshman mistakes, to yell over at the Louisville bench when Mack tried to freeze him.
Fought back from behind.
Didn't rain 3's

There is so much good to take from this hard fought win.     All of the things that so many complained incessantly about.    I hope this is a building block and the kind of effort and defense the team plays with the rest of the year.   

[BallBoy]

Floorslapper said we would improved defensively but struggle offensively without Rowsey. His logical and so far spot on assessment was roundly criticized/mocked by the board's experts.

One of the biggest attempts at revisionist history. Last year one group believed Wojo couldn't teach defense which why we weren't good.  The opposing view was that Wojo thought his best chance to win was to go with two high scoring poor defenders. He was going to outscore his competition. That same group said that this year MU would be better defensively without Rowsey but not as good offensively. Floorslappers was solidly in the Wojo can't coach defense camp. This year MU's defense is significantly better

[1SE]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

I doubt that, I think it's just more than a number of people who are already skeptical about Wojo didn't think yesterday was anything to get particularly excited about. Sure, the W is all that will matter at the end of the day, but in 5 games we have yet to see a team that looks like a Sweet 16 contender.

Let's beat K-State next week and I think many more people will feel we're on the right track.

[tower912]

I doubt that, I think it's just more than a number of people who are already skeptical about Wojo didn't think yesterday was anything to get particularly excited about. Sure, the W is all that will matter at the end of the day, but in 5 games we have yet to see a team that looks like a Sweet 16 contender.

Let's beat K-State next week and I think many more people will feel we're on the right track.

It didn't reinforce my opinion, so it is no big deal.    Now, if it had reinforced my opinion, it would have been a very big deal. 

[forgetful]

One of the biggest attempts at revisionist history. Last year one group believed Wojo couldn't teach defense which why we weren't good.  The opposing view was that Wojo thought his best chance to win was to go with two high scoring poor defenders. He was going to outscore his competition. That same group said that this year MU would be better defensively without Rowsey but not as good offensively. Floorslappers was solidly in the Wojo can't coach defense camp. This year MU's defense is significantly better

Not to mention that it isn't like we fell off the cliff in terms of offensive efficiency.  We are 22nd in the nation.  Last year we finished 12th.  Moderate drop-off.  It just looks uglier, because we have had some massive droughts. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Please Scoop, I beg you, do not let Greg become the 2018-19 Harry Froling. We need to win with what he have now, and any addition coming in future months should be considered an added bonus.

Joe was supposed to be a difference maker because he was a reliable PG. Jamal was going to be our best athlete who could contribute both ways. Ed Morrow and Brendan were both touted as being the best in practice last year and this summer. And now Greg is going to be the added depth we need at guard in January.

If we expect Greg to show up and outperform Sacar and Joe, who are more experienced and have been active all season, we're going to be disappointed. He'll need time to acclimate, and even when he's back to 100%, he's still a skinny sophomore that has limited experience. He's got a ton of potential, but I for one don't want to have to rely on that potential to translate 3 games into his sophomore year coming off a surgery in the middle of Big East play.

He's not a savior he's a key piece that can contribute nightly tho.

And unlike Froling....we've seen Greg in a MU Jersey.

If Greg can get back healthy this year, he's absolutely going to be an added boost

[1SE]

He's not a savior he's a key piece that can contribute nightly tho.

And unlike Froling....we've seen Greg in a MU Jersey.

If Greg can get back healthy this year, he's absolutely going to be an added boost

Maybe. I really expected Jamal to take a big step forward this year too, but so far that hasn't seem to come to pass.

[fjm]

Not to mention that it isn't like we fell off the cliff in terms of offensive efficiency.  We are 22nd in the nation.  Last year we finished 12th.  Moderate drop-off.  It just looks uglier, because we have had some massive droughts.

It does feel like a huge drop off because last year we were in the 80's and 90's every game.

We NEED JoeC to make a shot or two early in each game to atleast get the D over by him. Otherwise Howard and Hauser will be struggling every game to get theirs as they are getting doubled constantly.

[geps]

Best thing for me last night—besides grinding out the W. 

When Mack called the TO to freeze Joey at the end — Joey was pissed. After he hit the two free throws Joey immediately turned around and yelled at the Louisville bench.

Joey will be one of the most hated guys in the league eventually.

[tower912]

We can only hope.   

[4everwarriors]

Would love to see Theo and Ed keep it up.

Well, wattever floats yo boat and ta each der own, hey?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Joey will be one of the most hated guys in the league eventually.

Excellent.  We haven't had one of those guys since...uh, last year.

[StillWarriors]

+1 is pretty sure someone even admitted this on here yesterday

You're probably right, but that's brutal. Why would anyone want to go through the almost inevitable regression and rebuild among people transferring and starting over with recruiting if you don't have to? I have such a hard time understanding that mindset. Yes, things are frustrating sometimes but there are enough positives to latch onto, hope for development and cheer for your team. The sky is falling and angry reactions whenever things aren't really good is demoralizing.
PS Buzz's situation was rare b/c he had a unique and fantastic group of seniors that weren't going to transfer at that point. I suppose one could say next year could be that type of situation, but wouldn't it be more fun to root for your team to succeed and make that discussion unnecessary?? I get frustrated often too, but I'm going that  route rather than being angry constantly and constantly harping about someone losing their job.

[rocket surgeon]

Joey will be one of the most hated guys in the league eventually.

I didn't catch that but Joey does have that look...if he wants to be a bad ass, he's going to have to watch some clips of Maurice Lucas. Joey thinks he can go in deep and just have his way.  Too many times he's gotten snuffed when I'm sure if he looked, someone was wide open around him as he draws like 3 guys.

  If we win with joeys freshman mistakes, then wojo probably looks at his play as "no fear". If we lose with his freshman play, wojo better start sitting him a little. In close games, we can't afford stupid chit.  Our margins for error are slim. We ain't gonna blow out a good one....yet

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I didn't catch that but Joey does have that look...if he wants to be a bad ass, he's going to have to watch some clips of Maurice Lucas. Joey thinks he can go in deep and just have his way.  Too many times he's gotten snuffed when I'm sure if he looked, someone was wide open around him as he draws like 3 guys.

  If we win with joeys freshman mistakes, then wojo probably looks at his play as "no fear". If we lose with his freshman play, wojo better start sitting him a little. In close games, we can't afford stupid chit.  Our margins for error are slim. We ain't gonna blow out a good one....yet

Sounds like this wasn't on the telecast.  I was at the game. 

[skianth16]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

This is a stretch.

[94Warrior]

I watched the telecast.  Joey clearly turned his head to yell at the UL bench as he walked to the huddle.  Good for him.

Also, I also saw Sam send a strong message to Joey, after Joey was snuffed driving against a double team.  Sam was spotting up at the 3 pt line wide open. 

Message sent by both Hausers.  I like the leadership by Sam and the confidence of Joey.

[jesmu84]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

Most people have already made their mind up about wojo. And they're going to use whatever evidence available to back up their position. Even if that means MU loses.

[Floorslapper]

Maybe. I really expected Jamal to take a big step forward this year too, but so far that hasn't seem to come to pass.

What player(s) have taken a major step forward under Wojo?

[Milkshakes]

Just rewatched the game. Lots to build on in my opinion. Joey made some dumb mistakes but he is going to be a stud sooner than later.

Love Theo. He is much improved from last year and going to get better.

Ed starting to show up.

Rebounding.....ugh, ugh, ugh.

[Floorslapper]

One of the biggest attempts at revisionist history. Last year one group believed Wojo couldn't teach defense which why we weren't good.  The opposing view was that Wojo thought his best chance to win was to go with two high scoring poor defenders. He was going to outscore his competition. That same group said that this year MU would be better defensively without Rowsey but not as good offensively. Floorslappers was solidly in the Wojo can't coach defense camp. This year MU's defense is significantly better

Fixed.

I don't think he can coach...period. 

[Silent Verbal]

Most people have already made their mind up about wojo. And they're going to use whatever evidence available to back up their position. Even if that means MU loses.

I don't think it's a bad thing that people have "already" made up their mind about Wojo.  He's been here for four years and change.  Anyone who hasn't seen enough to make up their mind one way or the other is a pretty indecisive person.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

What player(s) have taken a major step forward under Wojo?

This is subjective because of whatever your definition of "major" is. JJJ showed considerable improvement. Sacar, Theo and Sam have all gotten better since they've been here.

How much of the improvement is coaching and how much is talent?