Cardinal Virtues

[fjm]

Scoop is fuggin amazing. What a bunch of a holes.

We lose to Kansas #2 in the country. And it's Wojo's fault cause he didn't make any adjustments.


Today Markus has 4 points at half time.

Wojo makes adjustments to get him into space for 18 points after half time.

OR WAS THAT CHRIS MACK'S ADJUSTMENTS THAT HELPED HOWARD?

Credit where credit is due people. Come on.

[1SE]

Ws are Ws and Ls are Ls but struggling with a probable bubble team on a neutral court makes me think we're a long way from being the 5 seed everyone thought we should be.

Hopefully we improve and no one else does, otherwise this could be another season where we're biting our nails in late February.

[ducs]

Please Scoop, I beg you, do not let Greg become the 2018-19 Harry Froling. We need to win with what he have now, and any addition coming in future months should be considered an added bonus.

I was thinking the same thing. He can/will contribute in positive ways to this team but he won't be our savior at PG. Team has to work with what we have.

[GGGG]

He did because he logged 22 minutes. Just nobody noticed him.

I noticed him.  Thought he played well.  Smart, reliable player.

[NCMUFan]

The way we're playing on offense right now, this team reminds me of the two post-Final Four Crean teams.  Diener was a far better PG than Howard will ever be, but on those teams, he became the go-to scorer.  Sam is a more complete player than Novak, but tonight he filled the Novak role.  Aside from Joey, the rest of the guys are role players who may or may not have a good game on any given night.  Joey might be the wild card this year.  He made a few bad plays against Ville, but showed he could also come through in the clutch in a way most freshman can't.

Those aforementioned Crean teams felt like they were a good player away from being NCAA worthy.  I think Joey can be that guy for us.

You need four players that can score 15 points consistently.  The three Amigos and Lazar could score and play defense.  Then you have the Buzz teams of Jimmy B., Lazar, DJO, Ox, Buycks, Vander, Jamal Wilson, Crowder, etc..

[GGGG]

You need four players that can score 15 points consistently.  The three Amigos and Lazar could score and play defense.  Then you have the Buzz teams of Jimmy B., Lazar, DJO, Ox, Buycks, Vander, Jamal Wilson, Crowder, etc..

I think they are hoping that Joey evolves into that role just like his brother did two years ago.

[Galway Eagle]

You need four players that can score 15 points consistently.  The three Amigos and Lazar could score and play defense.  Then you have the Buzz teams of Jimmy B., Lazar, DJO, Ox, Buycks, Vander, Jamal Wilson, Crowder, etc..

You need two that can do it consistently two or three more that can randomly step up. Harder to scout.

The best part of that 16-17 team was how widespread the O was, if they could've defended worth a lick they actually would've been a quite good team

[shoothoops]

Helpful win for MU.  Need some confidence. 

MU still looks a bit slow too often.  Way too many layups given up, especially last 11 minutes of first half. Big improvement in 2nd half and OT. 

Getting to the free throw line more often later in the game, and, knocking them down was good. It helps who takes them. Howard, Hauser, Hauser are three of the best on the team.  Getting the best FT shooters to the line helps confidence a lot on offense.

Howard, 5 assists, 1 turnover makes a difference. He got away with a few ill advised decisions.  But when he makes good decisions he is one of the best.

Still two headed monster with S Hauser and Howard vs last year's three headed offensive monster with Rousey.  It doesn't have to be one person, but a few more guys need to step up on offense. 

MU still seems to not understand at times when to provide help defense and when to close out shooters off of the pass. 

MU isn't getting enough out of the wing. 

Hoping the game slows down soon for some of the new guys.

Not sure why ESPN kept mentioning the UL 3 that was called a 2. I could point to many things bith ways that could have gone differently. 

[GGGG]

ESPN kept showing the two-point mistake because it's an easy thing to show a general audience.  Showing Theo's crap call on a pick and roll isn't as obvious to the occasional viewer. 

[Room510]

MU comes back to defeat Louisville on same day Badgers lose - if you can't be happy now, when will you ?  Gutted it out over a team of 5 star recruits who may or may not have been paid to play there.  Did not blow an 18 point lead with 6 minutes to go, like the previous coach did against Louisville.  Congratulations to all the players and coaches.

[1SE]

MU comes back to defeat Louisville on same day Badgers lose - if you can't be happy now, when will you ?  Gutted it out over a team of 5 star recruits who may or may not have been paid to play there.  Did not blow an 18 point lead with 6 minutes to go, like the previous coach did against Louisville.  Congratulations to all the players and coaches.

Come on, this is an important win and I'm glad we got it, but it's a game we should have won. I'm not running down to the Lake for beating a kenpom 50ish team on a neutral court.

If we would have beat IU or KU I would have been very happy. If we beat K-state I'll be happier than I am about this.

And as long as the Vadgers are playing us, I want them to win every other game during the season, as I do for all of our opponents.

[RushmoreAcademy]

After he f*cked up the first couple of possessions in the second half, I think he sat for the rest of the game.   The rotation was significantly shortened up in the second half.

I noticed that too. That's too bad. Really pulling for him to get minutes here while Greg is out.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Floorslapper said we would improved defensively but struggle offensively without Rowsey. His logical and so far spot on assessment was roundly criticized/mocked by the board's experts.

Absolutely false.  It was near consensus that the offense would step back and (hopefully) the defense would improve.  The graduation of Rowsey alone--a really, really good offensive player and one of the worst defensive players I can remember at Marquette--almost assured that.  Add in the additional length this year and a defense-focused PG transfer and the defense has made huge strides.

Now, if you want to say that the *level* of drop off of the offense was unexpected, I'd agree there.  But it is early and I'm hopeful Joey, Ed, and Joe will continue to improve throughout the year.

[fjm]

Agree with above👆🏽

I'm really hoping Bailey can find some of his shot. Every shot is long. He's putting too much on his shots right now.

And chart needs to be getting 6 points a game. He needs the defense to honor him to help open Howard and Hauser.
Even Bilas said last night that he needs to take those open shots.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

MU isn't getting enough out of the wing. 

This. Markus and Joe give us enough from the PG. Sammy and Joey give us enough from the forward positions. Theo seems to be developing into a very solid C. We need Sacar, Jamal, or Bailey to start stepping up on the wing. They have all been plus defenders but their offense has been hurting us.

[GGGG]

Floorslapper said we would improved defensively but struggle offensively without Rowsey. His logical and so far spot on assessment was roundly criticized/mocked by the board's experts.

That is some high grade victimization right there.

I don't recall much criticism at all for his point.  I think there was a general consensus that we would be worse offensively, but better defensively without him.  The question was whether or not defensive improvement would be greater than offensive fall off.  And right now I would say it is firmly up in the air.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Best thing for me last night—besides grinding out the W. 

When Mack called the TO to freeze Joey at the end — Joey was pissed. After he hit the two free throws Joey immediately turned around and yelled at the Louisville bench. 

[Loose Cannon]

Would love to see Theo and Ed keep it up. Getting solid inside scoring will create more opportunities for Sam and Markus.

Only a matter of (Short)time before Bailey begins to contribute.

[fjm]

Best thing for me last night—besides grinding out the W. 

When Mack called the TO to freeze Joey at the end — Joey was pissed. After he hit the two free throws Joey immediately turned around and yelled at the Louisville bench.

Damn! Must have missed that. Good for him.

[mu_hilltopper]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

[WarriorFan]

Scoop is fuggin amazing. What a bunch of a holes.

We lose to Kansas #2 in the country. And it's Wojo's fault cause he didn't make any adjustments.

Wojo only makes the easy adjustments.
Today Markus has 4 points at half time.

Wojo makes adjustments to get him into space for 18 points after half time.

OR WAS THAT CHRIS MACK'S ADJUSTMENTS THAT HELPED HOWARD?

Credit where credit is due people. Come on.

[Galway Eagle]

At this point, it's clear there are many fans who want MU to lose, with the thought that Wojo is not the guy, and that wins prolong his tenure.

+1 is pretty sure someone even admitted this on here yesterday

[WarriorFan]

He did because he logged 22 minutes. Just nobody noticed him.

IIRC his man didn't score in the 2nd half.   That's the contribution we need.

[tower912]

IIRC his man didn't score in the 2nd half.   That's the contribution we need.

When Markus picked up his 4th, Wojo put Chartouny in on the next defensive e possession.  He got beat off the dribble and Theo picked up his 5th coming over to help.

[HammerScreen]

When Markus picked up his 4th, Wojo put Chartouny in on the next defensive e possession.  He got beat off the dribble and Theo picked up his 5th coming over to help.

Yep. Joe can't guard anyone with speed. He's a decent help defender because of his length but he is too slow on the ball