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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't think people are upset over just this one loss, I think people are upset because Wojo has never proven that he is able to make the team better over the course of a season than when they started. And in year 5, when the talent level is as high as Wojo has had, a poor showing like this is making me worried that he won't be able to make this team better as the year goes on because of his track record.

Are you sure about that? Last year we started by beating Lindenwood by 2, getting blown out by Purdue at home, and getting taken to OT by Eastern Illinois. Did you really see a 2 seed in the NIT just based on those early season gems?

In 16-17 we started by getting blown out by Michigan in New York and then blew an 18 point second half lead to a mediocre Pittsburgh team. Did you see an NCAA team just based on those performances? In addition, some mid major transfer named Rowsey was getting 3 minutes and DNPs in early games. By the end of the season he was averaging over 30 minutes a game and was one of our key players.

[tower912]

The main problem with the IU loss is context.    Taken in a vacuum, a MU team badly lost an early season road game, its first of the season, in one of the toughest venues to play in, against an amped up team, a jacked up crowd, and a very good one and done freshman.   Meh.   It happens to lots of teams.
    However, because this loss reinforced existing negative opinions of Wojo, it is somehow seen as more than a November road loss.
If this is a harbinger of the season to come, yes, Wojo's tush is going to start feeling warm.      If it is simply a November road loss for a team that ends up winning 23-4 games and gets a decent seed in the tourney and wins a game there, it is a data point.   

[4everwarriors]

We've had 10 coaches at Marquette before Wojo over the last 65 years. Wojo has a better record than one of those 10 - Bob Dukiet. Can we judge him on that?

Dis says it all folks. Great stuff Lenny Man. Next coach up, aina?

[Loose Cannon]

If we make the tournament after having a strong BE season, that would help improve my outlook on Wojo. But if we limp in and get embarrassed like we did 2 years ago, then I don't see my opinion changing. With the talent on this roster, I think most college coaches (maybe even a number of Scoopers!) could earn a bid this year. To me, that's still a pretty low bar.

Thanks for your above reply.  So after seeing Wojo's 4 years and 3 games this season what would you Predict (Not Expect) our Win/Loss record to be this year? 

Also if Wojo meets those marks mention above how much does your outlook approve, small percent, medium or large %? 
Again thanks for the discussion.

[Loose Cannon]

We've had 10 coaches at Marquette before Wojo over the last 65 years. Wojo has a better record than one of those 10 - Bob Dukiet. Can we judge him on that?

Yep, and in those 65 years only one coach beat the number ranked team.

[Its DJOver]

We've had 10 coaches at Marquette before Wojo over the last 65 years. Wojo has a better record than one of those 10 - Bob Dukiet. Can we judge him on that?

If you think the Great Midwest is on par with the Big East, then yes we can.

[WolfganghisKhan]

Alright, lets relax on giving Wojo too much credit for beating a #1 team. How many wide open three pointers did Nova miss in that game? 20?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Alright, lets relax on giving Wojo too much credit for beating a #1 team. How many wide open three pointers did Nova miss in that game? 20?

So Wojo is supposed to shoulder all of the blame for a loss, but take no credit for a win? Makes sense.

[ATL MU Warrior]

We've had 10 coaches at Marquette before Wojo over the last 65 years. Wojo has a better record than one of those 10 - Bob Dukiet. Can we judge him on that?

yes, if we can also judge his predecessor for the less than stellar state of the program Wojo stepped into.

[Floorslapper]

Yep, and in those 65 years only one coach beat the number ranked team.

Who cares?  Should we hang a banner in the Fiserv Forum to commemorate Wojo's crowning achievement thus far?  Here's the track record:

2 Missed NITS
1 NCAA using JJJ, Luke and Duane (Buzz's guys)
1 NIT Quarterfinal
0 NCAA wins

[Floorslapper]

yes, if we can also judge his predecessor for the less than stellar state of the program Wojo stepped into.

Fake News

Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean walked into MUCH more difficult situations than Wojo.  Both vastly have exceeded what Wojo has done in 4 years.

What's up with the kid glove treatment some of you give this guy?  He's paid millions.  He's got every tool at his disposal to achieve.  He's accomplished virtually nothing commensurate with the investment made into him and the program.

[WolfganghisKhan]

So Wojo is supposed to shoulder all of the blame for a loss, but take no credit for a win? Makes sense.

Where in my post did I say that? The player & coach stunk against Indiana. It's year 5, FIVE.
If it was year 1, 2, or 3 I'd agree with all you Wojo  fans. How many years does he need? 7? 10? We have the same problems now that we had in year 2 & 3.

[WhiteTrash]

Fake News

Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean walked into MUCH more difficult situations than Wojo.  Both vastly have exceeded what Wojo has done in 4 years.

What's up with the kid glove treatment some of you give this guy?  He's paid millions.  He's got every tool at his disposal to achieve.  He's accomplished virtually nothing commensurate with the investment made into him and the program.

Well said.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Where in my post did I say that? The player & coach stunk against Indiana. It's year 5, FIVE.
If it was year 1, 2, or 3 I'd agree with all you Wojo  fans. How many years does he need? 7? 10? We have the same problems now that we had in year 2 & 3.

And Buzz also had the same problem against Vanderbilt, Ohio St. and Florida. This ain't a anomaly. Marquette pulls this once a year without fail. At least this time they were on the road instead of at home.

[jutaw22mu]

Fake News

Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean walked into MUCH more difficult situations than Wojo.  Both vastly have exceeded what Wojo has done in 4 years.

What's up with the kid glove treatment some of you give this guy?  He's paid millions.  He's got every tool at his disposal to achieve.  He's accomplished virtually nothing commensurate with the investment made into him and the program.

I agree, well stated.

[muwarrior69]

Well I turned the game off when we were down by 15 after the first 5 minutes. We just looked so ill prepared. That is on Wojo. Let's see how we respond to this loss in the coming weeks. I hope Greg can start playing sooner rather than later. We need another option at guard.

[NickelDimer]

Fake News

Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean walked into MUCH more difficult situations than Wojo.  Both vastly have exceeded what Wojo has done in 4 years.

What's up with the kid glove treatment some of you give this guy? He's paid millions.  He's got every tool at his disposal to achieve.  He's accomplished virtually nothing commensurate with the investment made into him and the program.

I find it puzzling as well. I don't find him to be particularly magnetic or likeable. His brand of basketball is not characteristic of the Warrior brand. And his results have been very uninspiring. I don't get the loyal allegiance

[4everwarriors]

Klassic case of peein' down won's leg, hey?

[1SE]

And Buzz also had the same problem against Vanderbilt, Ohio St. and Florida. This ain't a anomaly. Marquette pulls this once a year without fail. At least this time they were on the road instead of at home.

Buzz also took those teams to the 2nd weekend.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

People mistake patience for allegiance. This rebuild was always about this season.  If results aren't delivered patience will return to impatience.

[BM1090]

Buzz also took those teams to the 2nd weekend.

Absolutely. And if Wojo make the tournament comfortably the next two years and make at least one 2nd weekend, I'd bet most people here wouldn't be supporting him anymore.

[tower912]

People mistake patience for allegiance. This rebuild was always about this season.  If results aren't delivered patience will return to impatience.

I like this.    I have been patient with Wojo, but I have also criticized him.    This was the 'wait and see' year.     If the IU game is truly who this team is all year,  Wojo is rightfully in trouble.   

[muwarrior69]

I like this.    I have been patient with Wojo, but I have also criticized him.    This was the 'wait and see' year.     If the IU game is truly who this team is all year,  Wojo is rightfully in trouble.   

Could not agree more. Is Langford better than Manion? The reason I ask is that Akanno was able to guard Manion which is why Wojo offered him a scholly. Perhaps we are getting more athletic guards.

[4everwarriors]

Talent on da currant roster is over-raided, hey?

[Spotcheck Billy]

Talent on da currant roster is over-raided, hey?

Not based on posts since Wednesday.