[Paint Touches] Is it too early to panic about Chartouny?

[PaintTouches]

The early returns have been dreadful on offense. But recent history hasn't been kind to integrating grad transfers, at least at Marquette.

https://painttouches.com/2018/11/12/is-it-too-early-to-panic-about-chartouny/

[jsglow]

To everyone's credit, it has been amazingly calm on scoop.  Good for us.  Joseph will settle in.  He's just pressing too hard right now.

[fjm]

You're kidding me right?

This article is dumb and dangerous. Two games in, sure freak out. But how about give the guy time?

I guess we shoulda kicked katin, carlino and Lockett off the team after two games too hey?

Dumb and dangerous.

[Galway Eagle]

You're kidding me right?

This article is dumb and dangerous. Two games in, sure freak out. But how about give the guy time?

I guess we shoulda kicked katin, carlino and Lockett off the team after two games too hey?

Dumb and dangerous.

Did you not read it or just not comprehend the last part?

"For whatever reason, grad transfers have a difficult time integrating with Marquette. We see it every 2 years. So before you start penciling in Greg Elliott for Chartouny's minutes come Big East time, let history be your guide. That's not to say that he hasn't been bad or that he will necessarily be better. He very well may prove an exception to the rule.

But until we have more data points from which to assess, patience is the only answer."

[Its DJOver]

You're kidding me right?

This article is dumb and dangerous. Two games in, sure freak out. But how about give the guy time?

I guess we shoulda kicked katin, carlino and Lockett off the team after two games too hey?

Dumb and dangerous.

Did you even read the article?  The last sentence is literally "But until we have more data points from which to assess, patience is the only answer.", sounds like PT is saying the exact same thing as you.  No need to jump to the extremes.

[fjm]

Fair. I read it poorly.

But it is a constant that we jump on every grad transfer so quickly.

[tower912]

Hopefully, experience with slow starts by transfers have given us the wisdom to keep calm and scoop on.

[Marcus92]

Yes, 2 games is too early. Shouldn't even be asking the question.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Yes, 2 games is too early. Shouldn't even be asking the question.

I think its fair to ask the question.  Its far too early to be making any declarations, but Chartouny has looked very over-matched (against poor competition) and out of sorts in the first 2 games. 

I expect him to get better, but there reason to at least be a little skeptical that he is going to get the kind of minutes most expected. 

[D'Lo Brown]

No need for any panic. Worst case scenario is what exactly? We have so few minutes to pass around. Outside of Markus, I don't see any player on the team that is truly unique/unreplaceable. We have 2+ of everything on the shelf.

He hasn't looked great, but if it comes to be that he actually isn't good, I don't find reason to have concerns.

[brewcity77]

It is too early, just like it was for Trent, Katin, and Carlino. Let's not forget, before Matt's 38 points against Tennessee, he scored 34 points in his first four games on 10/31 shooting.

Maybe Chartouny will flame out. It's entirely possible the step up is just too much. But considering that pretty much every grad transfer we've had in the past decade has been maligned early on before showing up in big moments as their season progressed, I think it's worth giving him a bit longer than two games before we hit the panic button.

[MU82]

On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being "PANIC CITY!" my level of concern about JCS is 0.

First of all, I'm patient.

Second of all, even if he sucks bigly, me panicking can't affect the situation one way or another.

Third of all, it's not real life, only sports.

[Pakuni]

Yes, 2 games is too early. Shouldn't even be asking the question.

Correct.
The fact the author ultimately came to the obvious conclusion only slightly mitigates the stupidity of asking the question in the first place.
I get the need for content and the fact MU has played only two cupcakes doesn't help any, but there's got to be something more worthy than this topic.

[tower912]

Respect the process.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Dont forget to look at both sides of the ball. His defense has been solid (against poor competition). We will see if the offense comes.

[Markusquette]

He looks afraid to even have the ball in his hands. For a grad transfer point guard playing versus average competition at best, it's not a good sign. Hopefully he settles in and gets comfortable.

Correct.
The fact the author ultimately came to the obvious conclusion only slightly mitigates the stupidity of asking the question in the first place.
I get the need for content and the fact MU has played only two cupcakes doesn't help any, but there's got to be something more worthy than this topic.

I think it was worth writing about and well-written. Definitely do not think it is a stupid question to ask either.

[Galway Eagle]

Decided to take a look at Chartouny vs the tournament A10 teams and any high majors he's played. Figured this would be a better indicator because his over all stats might be a bit inflated.

2017/18

v Florida State: 1-7, 5pt, 11reb, 0ast, 4stl, 1to
v Rutgers: 3-8, 7pt, 4reb, 8ast, 2stl, 5to
v West Virginia: 5-14, 16pt, 6reb, 3ast, 3stl, 3to
v St Bonaventure: 3-11, 10pt, 3reb, 5ast, 4stl, 2to
v Davidson: 3-5, 8pt, 4reb, 4ast, 3stl, 1to
v Rhode Island: 1-7, 3pt, 2reb, 5stl, 6to

2016/17

v St John's 0-7, 0pts, 7reb, 6ast, 0stl, 4to
v Rutgers 6-8, 17pts, 2reb, 2ast, 7stl, 0to
v Dayton 5-12, 14pts, 4reb, 8ast, 2stl, 2to
v VCU 5-12, 15pts, 5reb, 6ast, 6stl, 6to
v Rhode Island 1-6, 6pts, 3reb, 2ast, 1stl, 3to

2015/16

v St John's 1-5, 2pts, 5reb, 5ast, 4stl, 3to
v Boston College 2-7, 6pts, 3reb, 5ast, 2stl, 5to
v Dayton 3-8, 7pts, 4reb, 5ast, 1stl 4to

[wadesworld]

Chartouny is coming from a (generously) mid major program.  Our other grad transfers were coming from high major programs (even BYU is a much better program).  Could Chartouny just be struggling to find his roll on the team?  Sure.  But saying that because we've had past grad transfers who struggled early means Chartouny is simply in the same situation isn't necessarily true.  Most freshman struggle with the step up in level of play and it takes a full season and offseason to adjust.  Maybe a graduate senior is too.

[LloydsLegs]

Yes. 

[Herman Cain]

JC is playing about where I thought he would be based on seeing him live a few times at Fordham.  By the time conference play roles around he will have a well defined role.

[Jockey]

On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being "PANIC CITY!" my level of concern about JCS is 0.

First of all, I'm patient.

Second of all, even if he sucks bigly, me panicking can't affect the situation one way or another.

Third of all, it's not real life, only sports.

Agree. He is gonna see a lot of minutes by the time the BE season starts.  I also think we will be in huge trouble if he is not on the floor when teams are pressing.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I think its fair to ask the question.  Its far too early to be making any declarations, but Chartouny has looked very over-matched (against poor competition) and out of sorts in the first 2 games. 

I expect him to get better, but there reason to at least be a little skeptical that he is going to get the kind of minutes most expected.

Out of sorts?  Absolutely.

Overmatched?  Not even a little.

He's trying to find his role and learn how to play with his new teammates. He's been far too careless with he ball while trying to make the home run play.

He just needs to gain some confidence and settle in. It will come. He's never going to be a big scorer but he can excel in facilitating for others and playing good defense. That's all we need him to do.

[skianth16]

Fair. I read it poorly.

But it is a constant that we jump on every grad transfer so quickly.

Jumps to conclusion about article he didn't read in order to criticize writer for jumping to conclusions too early... good stuff

[skianth16]

Correct.
The fact the author ultimately came to the obvious conclusion only slightly mitigates the stupidity of asking the question in the first place.
I get the need for content and the fact MU has played only two cupcakes doesn't help any, but there's got to be something more worthy than this topic.

Jesus, no need to be so rude. It's a completely fair topic, and it wasn't overly critical. I love that there are guys willing to write about MU basketball, giving us all some extra content on a topic we're interested in.

Chartouny has been underwhelming so far, and that is worth discussing. If you don't like it; don't read it. Simple as that.

[fjm]

Jumps to conclusion about article he didn't read in order to criticize writer for jumping to conclusions too early... good stuff

Nah I read it.