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[WarriorDad]

For you dentists, you may have some interest in this.  A Marquette dentist friend of mine sent this to me, he is retired in the Las Vegas area.  Because Las Vegas has cameras everywhere, they were lucky.

These men were accused of rape, but video exonerated them. Without the video, their practice, their careers, their reputations, all potentially ruined along with their families. 

https://news3lv.com/news/local/four-california-dentists-have-rape-charges-dropped-after-video-contradicts-womans-story

[Galway Eagle]

It is a sad day that tarnishing a person's reputation is met with such shrugs.  It is more than simply having to transfer, which alone could be soul crushing to some students.  There will always be people that think the person is guilty, unless the accuser comes out and forcefully denies it. 

We have to do better as a country to protect both sides.

nm

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It is a sad day that tarnishing a person's reputation is met with such shrugs.  It is more than simply having to transfer, which alone could be soul crushing to some students.  There will always be people that think the person is guilty, unless the accuser comes out and forcefully denies it. 

We have to do better as a country to protect both sides.

Again, these proceedings are protected by privacy laws so unless someone breaks the law, no one's good name is tarnished. If someone does break the law, they need to be fired and sued.

Also again, most of the time students aren't expelled so they don't have to transfer. Even when they are, it is nothing compared to what civil and criminal courts can do to an accused. This is a fact. Unless you think getting expelled is comparable to jail time, being fined millions of dollars, and the death penalty.

There will always be people that think the person is guilty, just like there are those who will always think the person is innocent. Fortunately, 99% of the men and women who do this work aren't among those populations. The 1% who are need to be found out and fired. This is also true of the legal system.

[WarriorDad]

Correct. That was the recent case I was thinking of. There are others but they are few and far between. From what we know, Yovino is a terrible person and is being held accountable for her actions. This was only decided in the last few months. I tried to see if anyone knows what happened to the two football players. Based on what we know, I would hope the school would reverse its decision.

But they won't, and thus their lives impacted greatly.

Colorado State, USC, Yale, Duke, Virginia, Brown, Allegheny College, Columbia.  Chronicle of Higher Ed says over 100 lawsuits last 3 years.  My wife said it best.  Yes, women can lie, too, and they can be vicious.  And men can be soul crushing inhuman creatures.

She's right in both classifications.

[WarriorDad]

Again, these proceedings are protected by privacy laws so unless someone breaks the law, no one's good name is tarnished. If someone does break the law, they need to be fired and sued.

Also again, most of the time students aren't expelled so they don't have to transfer. Even when they are, it is nothing compared to what civil and criminal courts can do to an accused. This is a fact. Unless you think getting expelled is comparable to jail time, being fined millions of dollars, and the death penalty.

There will always be people that think the person is guilty, just like there are those who will always think the person is innocent. Fortunately, 99% of the men and women who do this work aren't among those populations. The 1% who are need to be found out and fired. This is also true of the legal system.

When John Doe is asked to leave, that isn't private.  Students talk.  The notion of privacy in this country is a myth.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For you dentists, you may have some interest in this.  A Marquette dentist friend of mine sent this to me, he is retired in the Las Vegas area.  Because Las Vegas has cameras everywhere, they were lucky.

These men were accused of rape, but video exonerated them. Without the video, their practice, their careers, their reputations, all potentially ruined along with their families. 

https://news3lv.com/news/local/four-california-dentists-have-rape-charges-dropped-after-video-contradicts-womans-story

I'm not familiar with this case but I can almost guarantee that even without the video they would have been fine. It's nearly impossible to convict someone of sexual assault in this country without video evidence or direct witness testimony.

Also I'm curious, the article didn't say what the video showed. Do you know how the video exonerated them? Some times in these cases it's definitive proof that shows that the entire story was fabricated. Other times it's video that shows that the accuser was flirting and "acting slutty" so prosecutors decide not to go forward with the case because they know they won't be able to convince a jury it wasn't consensual.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But they won't, and thus their lives impacted greatly.

Colorado State, USC, Yale, Duke, Virginia, Brown, Allegheny College, Columbia.  Chronicle of Higher Ed says over 100 lawsuits last 3 years.  My wife said it best.  Yes, women can lie, too, and they can be vicious.  And men can be soul crushing inhuman creatures.

She's right in both classifications.

Huh, this sounds very similar to an argument that an old poster named Chicos used to make. Ever heard of him?

Over 100 lawsuits in the last three years. Let's give that the benefit of the doubt and say it's 199 because if it was 200 or more they would say over 200 the past three years.

There are at least 5,300 universities governed by Title IX meaning they have to take on these cases. Let's say these schools see an average of 10 cases per year (which is VERY generous, I see a couple hundred a year) that's 30 cases on average over the past three years. So 30 cases x 5,300 schools that is 159,000 cases heard by universities in the last three years. 199 lawsuits out of 159,000 is .00125%. So because aproximately .00125% of university cases have resulted in a lawsuit (not all of which were successful) you think universities are out control. You must hate the legal system then.

[4everwarriors]

For you dentists, you may have some interest in this.  A Marquette dentist friend of mine sent this to me, he is retired in the Las Vegas area.  Because Las Vegas has cameras everywhere, they were lucky.

These men were accused of rape, but video exonerated them. Without the video, their practice, their careers, their reputations, all potentially ruined along with their families. 

https://news3lv.com/news/local/four-california-dentists-have-rape-charges-dropped-after-video-contradicts-womans-story

All the dentists I know would never even think of such behavior.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

When John Doe is asked to leave, that isn't private.  Students talk.  The notion of privacy in this country is a myth.

So because a couple of classmates might whisper that John/Jane Doe isn't here anymore I heard s/he got kicked out for sexual assault that their good name is tarnished and their life is ruined? Seriously? If that's the level of protection that you think people need than we might as well just not have any rules at all because that is ridiculous.

Also, students talk whether or not a report is made. Those same whispers happen even if the student is not found responsible or is even never accused. To try to a limit a university because some students might gossip about it is absurd.

And again, I work in this field. I have worked with hundreds of students who been accused. I can think of four who have had their names come out in the press. Three were because they had criminal cases and the information came from there. One because the accuser was not happy with our decision so the accuser put it all over social media which we can do nothing about because it is free speech.

[Anti-Dentite]

All the dentists I know would never even think of such behavior.

I saw an episode of Seinfeld that would contradict your assertion. 

[GGGG]

It is a sad day that tarnishing a person's reputation is met with such shrugs.  It is more than simply having to transfer, which alone could be soul crushing to some students.  There will always be people that think the person is guilty, unless the accuser comes out and forcefully denies it. 

We have to do better as a country to protect both sides.

No kidding.  WTF?  Who said anything about not protecting the accused?  TAMU even said it earlier - when the accused is "outed" its usually because they out themselves.

Chicos, you really don't know what you are talking about here. 

[MU82]

No kidding.  WTF?  Who said anything about not protecting the accused?  TAMU even said it earlier - when the accused is "outed" its usually because they out themselves.

Chicos, you really don't know what you are talking about here.

I believe chicos ignited almost this exact argument a couple years ago. I mean, practically word for word.

On another note, he always was very, very concerned about protecting whitey from injustice, too. Reverse racism, and all that.

But ... you know ... what's a chicos?

[Pakuni]

It is a sad day that tarnishing a person's reputation is met with such shrugs.  It is more than simply having to transfer, which alone could be soul crushing to some students.  There will always be people that think the person is guilty, unless the accuser comes out and forcefully denies it. 

We have to do better as a country to protect both sides.

What's your solution, Chicos? Secret tribunals? A ban on victims from seeking redress unless the assault is captured on video?
Do you feel the same for accused murderers, thieves and batterers, or just guys accused of rape?
You're doing a fine job of complaining about the system, but offering zero ideas on how it can be improved.

Edit ...
Just to dive deeper into your thinking here, we know from numerous studies that the number of false allegations is tiny in comparison not only to valid accusations, but also to assaults that go unreported.
What you are arguing here is that the system needs to do more to protect guys from those rare false accusations, rather than do a better job of protecting victims and making sure perpetrators are appropriate;y punished, or at least removed from campus.
So, ultimately it seems you believe that it's far worse to be wrongly accused of rape - even in secret - than it is to actually be raped and then see your rapist stroll around on campus having gone entirely unpunished.
That's pretty messed up.

Not a single person here is claiming that false allegations are acceptable or should go unpunished. But it says a lot that we have a system in which a vast  majority of assaults go either unreported or unpunished, but your sympathy lies with the guys who might have to leave campus because of an accusation.

[Galway Eagle]

What's your solution, Chicos? Secret tribunals? A ban on victims from seeking redress unless the assault is captured on video?
Do you feel the same for accused murderers, thieves and batterers, or just guys accused of rape?
You're doing a fine job of complaining about the system, but offering zero ideas on how it can be improved.

I pretty much wrote this exact thing in the post I edited to nm earlier. So +1

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It is a sad day that tarnishing a person's reputation is met with such shrugs.  It is more than simply having to transfer, which alone could be soul crushing to some students.  There will always be people that think the person is guilty, unless the accuser comes out and forcefully denies it. 

We have to do better as a country to protect both sides.

Yeah, you're right Chicos -- the plight of the oppressed white male is horrible.  Who will think of them?  Oh, that's right...

[MU82]

It's the same crew who think "reverse racism" (whatever that is) is worse than actual racism.

It would be funny if it weren't sad.

[rocket surgeon]

All the dentists I know would never even think of such behavior.

👍😂🤣🤣😂👍


  Ok, but according to the dentists attorney, group sex did occur, but the video will show that it was consensual....??

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/four-dentists-accused-of-kidnapping-gang-raping-woman-at-las-vegas-hotel-released-without-bail/

It was probably their religion that gave it away-oh god oh god...yes yes oh god yes....






 

[Jables1604]

With regard to the Sacred Heart University football players that were expelled, they previously petitioned to be reinstated. This was before the false accuser took a guilty plea. Their petitions were denied.

They are presently suing the university and are represented by a good friend of my named Frank Riccio.

As an interesting aside, Frank previously defended former Major Leaguer Jose Offerman back in 2007 after Offerman was sued for a "bat attack" while playing independent baseball here in Connecticut.  Offerman charged the mound after he took exception to a particular close pitch. The catcher tried to intervene and claimed he was hit by the bat. He claimed some pretty serious brain and neurological injuries.

If I remember correctly the jury gave the catcher close to a $1 million but his attorney (who had asked for something like $5 million) complained that it wasn't enough.

I'll see if I can dig up an article.

[Jables1604]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/local/amp/Ex-Bluefish-catcher-awarded-940k-in-bat-attack-5655225.php

[brewcity77]

Yeah, you're right Chicos -- the plight of the oppressed white male is horrible.  Who will think of them?  Oh, that's right...

Such a scary time to be a young man in this country. Never mind that it's always been a scary time to be a young woman around young men for far more legitimate reasons...

[Benny B]

Such a scary time to be a young man in this country. Never mind that it's always been a scary time to be a young woman around young men for far more legitimate reasons...

I'd think even scarier was/is being a young woman around older men.

[brewcity77]

I'd think even scarier was/is being a young woman around older men.

Men in general. The comparative precautions list taken by men and women to prevent sexual assault is pretty staggering.

[WarriorDad]

Yeah, you're right Chicos -- the plight of the oppressed white male is horrible.  Who will think of them?  Oh, that's right...

You like to inject race in some of your posts, which isn't appropriate.

The two young men at Sacred Heart accused wrongfully, were both African Americans. She was white.  African Americans are wrongfully accused in this nation of many crimes, rape is no exception.

Brian Banks, remember him?  Accused in high school when he was about to go on a full ride football scholarship. He lost five years of his life to prison until she admitted the whole thing was fabricated.  Some teams in the NFL took a look at him last year. The man's life was ruined.  Destroyed. His dreams, his ability to earn a high income living, a college degree.  Ruined. He was African American. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blindsided-the-exoneration-of-brian-banks/

A few years ago here, Stanley Wrice was released. He spent 30 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. He was African American.

I've done some work with the Wisconsin Innocence Project, you may be interested in becoming involved.  Their work helped overturn a 20 year prison term for Jarret Adams who was wrongfully accused. 

I could go on.  This isn't about race, despite you continually injecting it into some of your comments.  This is about justice, for women and for men.

[WarriorDad]

Such a scary time to be a young man in this country. Never mind that it's always been a scary time to be a young woman around young men for far more legitimate reasons...

You are doing what you rail against, putting an entire gender under rule of suspicion. 

[GGGG]

You like to inject race in some of your posts, which isn't appropriate.

The two young men at Sacred Heart accused wrongfully, were both African Americans. She was white.  African Americans are wrongfully accused in this nation of many crimes, rape is no exception.

Brian Banks, remember him?  Accused in high school when he was about to go on a full ride football scholarship. He lost five years of his life to prison until she admitted the whole thing was fabricated.  Some teams in the NFL took a look at him last year. The man's life was ruined.  Destroyed. His dreams, his ability to earn a high income living, a college degree.  Ruined. He was African American. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blindsided-the-exoneration-of-brian-banks/

A few years ago here, Stanley Wrice was released. He spent 30 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. He was African American.

I've done some work with the Wisconsin Innocence Project, you may be interested in becoming involved.  Their work helped overturn a 20 year prison term for Jarret Adams who was wrongfully accused. 

I could go on.  This isn't about race, despite you continually injecting it into some of your comments.  This is about justice, for women and for men.

Uh...you are pretty much making his point.  If a black guy is accused, he often winds up being found guilty.

To ignore the racial aspect of these things is pretty foolhardy.