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https://blueribbonyearbook.com/blogs/news/blue-ribbon-college-basketball-yearbook-releases-preseason-top-25


Another Top 25, another single Big East team in it and in this case, Nova pretty low at #21. Anyone concerned the Big East losing some cachet? I suppose if it was a top 35 list, MU, Prov and maybe Butler would be there.



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MuMark

Who cares about preseason polls or rankings?

You play the season and see what happens.

Big East had tons of turnover ........not surprising that some magazines don't think the conference will be as strong.

My guess is Pomeroy will have us in the 20-30 range to start but if they don't no big deal.



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Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 07:22:06 PM
https://blueribbonyearbook.com/blogs/news/blue-ribbon-college-basketball-yearbook-releases-preseason-top-25


Another Top 25, another single Big East team in it and in this case, Nova pretty low at #21. Anyone concerned the Big East losing some cachet?

This will be a down year for the Big East. Every conference has them. Unless a trend develops I'm not too worried. But a tad concerned? Yes.

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Quote from: MuMark on September 20, 2018, 07:38:15 PM
Who cares about preseason polls or rankings?

You play the season and see what happens.

Big East had tons of turnover ........not surprising that some magazines don't think the conference will be as strong.

My guess is Pomeroy will have us in the 20-30 range to start but if they don't no big deal.

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geps

IMO if you are a 'power' league you should have at least 3 teams ranked at all times with one in the top 10. I am worried this is looking a little A-10ish.

Jay Bee

Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 07:53:40 PM
IMO if you are a 'power' league you should have at least 3 teams ranked at all times with one in the top 10. I am worried this is looking a little A-10ish.

Random criteria - bizarre
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geps

Quote from: Jay Bee on September 20, 2018, 07:55:30 PM
Random criteria - bizarre

Not random at all-'power' conferences typically have at least 3+ teams ranked all season long. The Big East has the same number of ranked teams now as the Mountain West-not good. Haven't checked but when's the last time the Big East had zero teams in the top 25? I'm just saying I don't like how this appears to be headed.




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Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Not random at all-'power' conferences typically have at least 3+ teams ranked all season long. The Big East has the same number of ranked teams now as the Mountain West-not good. Haven't checked but when's the last time the Big East had zero teams in the top 25? I'm just saying I don't like how this appears to be headed.

Random. Show your analysis or kindly shhhh...
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Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Not random at all-'power' conferences typically have at least 3+ teams ranked all season long. The Big East has the same number of ranked teams now as the Mountain West-not good. Haven't checked but when's the last time the Big East had zero teams in the top 25? I'm just saying I don't like how this appears to be headed.

It's September...

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Two national championships in 3 years.  Two number one seeds last season.  If you are truly concerned because one preseason poll didn't have enough Big East teams, you have a pretty good life.
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This should make you feel better.......at least until the games start

2 in top 25.     6 in top 51. All 10 in top 100

http://www.barttorvik.com/

http://www.barttorvik.com/conf.php?conf=BE&year=2019

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I think we'll have that 3 by the end of the year, which is more important than the start of the year.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: MuMark on September 20, 2018, 08:20:37 PM
This should make you feel better.......at least until the games start

2 in top 25.     6 in top 51. All 10 in top 100

http://www.barttorvik.com/

http://www.barttorvik.com/conf.php?conf=BE&year=2019

Seton Hall & Xavier ahead of us is truly mind blowing to me, so is St. John's at #8 that's way too low. Leads me to question the site's entire methodology

geps

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Quote from: Jay Bee on September 20, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
Random. Show your analysis or kindly shhhh...

OK
Some Research
Final Coaches Polls
Top 25 From Each Conference

       2014  2015   2016  2017   2018  2019(Blue Ribbon)

SEC    3        2         2        3       4        6     
ACC    5        7         6        5       5        7
BIG10 3        2         6        3       4        3
PAC10 3        3         3        3       0        2
BIG12 3        5         5        4       4        4
BE      2        3         2        3       2        1
AAC    2                             2       3

MuMark

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Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on September 20, 2018, 09:14:21 PM
Seton Hall & Xavier ahead of us is truly mind blowing to me, so is St. John's at #8 that's way too low. Leads me to question the site's entire methodology

All preseason rankings are flawed......including coaches polls and media polls. Which is why nobody should concern themselves with them

T-Rank is probably the 2nd best computer site after Pomeroy and in most cases their numbers are very similar(especially at the top)when the season is complete.

T-Rank had us 12 spots higher then Pomeroy at seasons end last year.  Fwiw

MuMark

#17
Here is Blue Ribbons preseason Top 25 from last season

https://blueribbonyearbook.com/blogs/news/arizona-tops-blue-ribbons-37th-annual-preseason-rankings

I count 6 non tournament teams that they thought were going to be really good before the season.

Ps Nova was 12......Xavier not in top 20.

Somehow they managed to be 1 seeds anyway.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
OK
Some Research
Final Coaches Polls
Top 25 From Each Conference

       2014  2015   2016  2017   2018  2019(Blue Ribbon)

SEC    3        2         2        3       4        6     
ACC    5        7         6        5       5        7
BIG10 3        2         6        3       4        3
PAC10 3        3         3        3       0        2
BIG12 3        5         5        4       4        4
BE      2        3         2        3       2        1
AAC    2                             2       3

Why are you using the final Coaches' poll of the season and comparing to Blue Ribbon Yearbook's preseason rankings?
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MU82

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 20, 2018, 10:02:27 PM
Why are you using the final Coaches' poll of the season and comparing to Blue Ribbon Yearbook's preseason rankings?

My reaction precisely. Silliness.

Quote from: MuMark on September 20, 2018, 09:55:03 PM
Here is Blue Ribbons preseason Top 25 from last season

https://blueribbonyearbook.com/blogs/news/arizona-tops-blue-ribbons-37th-annual-preseason-rankings

I count 6 non tournament teams that they thought were going to be really good before the season.

Ps Nova was 12......Xavier not in top 20.

Somehow they managed to be 1 seeds anyway.



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Also the Big East has 10 teams. ACC with 16, B1G and SEC with 14 so you're not even comparing apples to apples.

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Quote from: geps on September 20, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
OK
Some Research
Final Coaches Polls
Top 25 From Each Conference

       2014  2015   2016  2017   2018  2019(Blue Ribbon)

SEC    3        2         2        3       4        6     
ACC    5        7         6        5       5        7
BIG10 3        2         6        3       4        3
PAC10 3        3         3        3       0        2
BIG12 3        5         5        4       4        4
BE      2        3         2        3       2        1
AAC    2                             2       3

Why is a conference with 10 teams held to the same criteria as those with 16

geps

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Quote from: #UnleashTravis on September 21, 2018, 06:12:40 AM
Why is a conference with 10 teams held to the same criteria as those with 16

I agree with that but the Big 12 still strong.

geps

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 20, 2018, 10:02:27 PM
Why are you using the final Coaches' poll of the season and comparing to Blue Ribbon Yearbook's preseason rankings?

Well the coaches poll not out yet. If you recall the thread started with the Blue Ribbon Yearbook's top 25 so used that.

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