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Joseph Chartouny's signing with Marquette increases the team's projected Value Add for the 2018-19 season to the 23rd best in the country.

(For the record, I ranked MU 72nd going into last year http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2017/09/st-johns-most-likely-to-replace-mu-to.html, and 48th the year before when I didn't get my preseason rankings up until a couple of games were played http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2016/11/value-add-rankings-projected-ncaa-bids.html)

I have stated I believe the impact is even stronger than my own calculated projections - as Chartouny ranks as the best defensive guard in the country to fit one key spot, and his offense should improve beyond the projection because he will be driving with the benefit of the 3rd best three-point shooting team in the country in Marquette after having no support from the 348th best three-point shooting team in Fordham.

Rest of the story and easier to read tables at Cracked Sidewalks: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/04/marquette-debuts-in-top-25-with.html

1.   Kentucky
2.   Kansas
3.   Auburn
4.   Villanova
5.   Oregon
6.   Duke
7.   Nevada
8.   North Carolina
9.   Tennessee
10.   Maryland
11.   Gonzaga
12.   Mississippi St.
13.   Virginia
14.   UCLA
15.   Syracuse
16.   LSU
17.   North Carolina St.
18.   Ohio St.
19.   Virginia Tech
20.   Michigan St.
21.   Alabama
22.   Miami FL
23.   Marquette
24.   Florida
25.   USC

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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 10:23:20 AM »
Great stuff Auburn. This goes to show that those of us who are optimistic for next season aren't just shooting in the dark. There is data that supports our optimism. Maybe it doesn't play out this way because basketball isn't played on paper, but I think there is enough to warrant some excitement.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 01:49:00 PM »
So MU didn't underachieve its talent the last 2 years.......maybe Wojo can coach after all

Thanks for your work Auburn.

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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 02:06:09 PM »
Based on my "eye test" analysis we are better than 23.

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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 11:39:51 AM »
Thanks all! Well, I had to travel from NY back to ATL yesterday and decided to really go back through transfers etc. Made more than 100 updates, and we actually moved up a few spots. Here are the top 32 and who each would face in the 1st round based on the current snapshot at www.valueaddbasketball.com (allow edits at https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4).

Marquette would need to beat a BYU/Michigan winner, then Tennessee, then Nevada and Oregon (two surprises but take a look at who they have right now) and then who knows from the top three (Nova, Kentucky and Kansas).

1   Kentucky   67.07   SEC   1   Lehigh/Texas Southern Winner
2   Villanova   57.26   BE   1   Stephen F. Austin/Howard winner
3   Kansas   56.58   B12   1   Vermont
4   Nevada   56.55   MWC   1   New Mexico St.
5   Oregon   55.99   P12   2   St. Francis PA
6   Auburn   55.56   SEC   2   Northern Kentucky
7   Duke   54.37   ACC   2   UC Davis
8   Mississippi St.   49.22   SEC   2   Rider
9   North Carolina   48.92   ACC   3   Liberty
10   UCLA   46.17   P12   3   Belmont
11   Gonzaga   45.87   WCC   3   Georgia St.
12   Syracuse   45.27   ACC   3   Marshall
13   Tennessee   45.05   SEC   4   Lipscomb
14   Maryland   44.78   B10   4   UNC Greensboro
15   LSU   44.15   SEC   4   Harvard
16   Virginia   44.12   ACC   4   Buffalo
17   Virginia Tech   41.66   ACC   5   Loyola Chicago
18   Ohio St.   41.55   B10   5   Houston
19   North Carolina St.   41.5   ACC   5   Davidson
20   Marquette   41.45   BE   5   BYU/Michigan winner
21   Michigan St.   41.44   B10   6   Washington/San Diego St. winner
22   South Dakota St.   40.36   Sum   6   Indiana
23   USC   39.83   P12   6   Alabama
24   Florida   39.7   SEC   6   Notre Dame
25   Texas   39.33   B12   7   Boston College
26   Montana   39.18   BSky   7   Iowa St.
27   Miami FL   38.22   ACC   7   Creighton
28   Arizona St.   38.02   P12   7   Wisconsin
29   Northeastern   37.88   CAA   8   Northwestern
30   Florida St.   37.62   ACC   8   TCU
31   Kansas St.   37.5   B12   8   Providence
32   Iowa   36.88   B10   8   Texas Tech
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 12:53:13 PM »
I got another update for ya that will move us up another spot. Keita Bates-Diop has signed with an agent so he's gone from Ohio State. They lose the #2 value add player in country
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 02:44:14 PM »
Joseph Chartouny's signing with Marquette increases the team's projected Value Add for the 2018-19 season to the 23rd best in the country.

(For the record, I ranked MU 72nd going into last year http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2017/09/st-johns-most-likely-to-replace-mu-to.html, and 48th the year before when I didn't get my preseason rankings up until a couple of games were played http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2016/11/value-add-rankings-projected-ncaa-bids.html)

I have stated I believe the impact is even stronger than my own calculated projections - as Chartouny ranks as the best defensive guard in the country to fit one key spot, and his offense should improve beyond the projection because he will be driving with the benefit of the 3rd best three-point shooting team in the country in Marquette after having no support from the 348th best three-point shooting team in Fordham.

Rest of the story and easier to read tables at Cracked Sidewalks: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/04/marquette-debuts-in-top-25-with.html

1.   Kentucky
2.   Kansas
3.   Auburn
4.   Villanova
5.   Oregon
6.   Duke
7.   Nevada
8.   North Carolina
9.   Tennessee
10.   Maryland
11.   Gonzaga
12.   Mississippi St.
13.   Virginia
14.   UCLA
15.   Syracuse
16.   LSU
17.   North Carolina St.
18.   Ohio St.
19.   Virginia Tech
20.   Michigan St.
21.   Alabama
22.   Miami FL
23.   Marquette
24.   Florida
25.   USC
The calculation for Seton Hall needs to be updated.  Taurean Thompson the quality transfer from Syracuse needs to be added  and the value for Quincy McKinght needs to be corrected. He is a transfer from Sacred Heart who was a very solid player for Sacred Heart . 
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 03:20:10 PM »
The calculation for Seton Hall needs to be updated.  Taurean Thompson the quality transfer from Syracuse needs to be added  and the value for Quincy McKinght needs to be corrected. He is a transfer from Sacred Heart who was a very solid player for Sacred Heart .

You are right about Taurean Thompson missing, he's not anywhere on the spreadsheet. I would imagine that he would raise them a few slots.

Quincy McKnight is included in the spreadsheet. He put up big raw numbers but his efficiency numbers on both offense and defense were pretty poor against very poor competition. I think he'll struggle in the Big East.

I also noticed that Jevon Thomas is still listed for Seton Hall but he was dismissed from the team so that will drop them some spots too.

Seton Hall will struggle next season. Myles Powell is a stud, Thompson should be solid, but the rest of that roster is replacement level or worse players according to value add.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 03:33:58 PM »
What justifies Oregon's lofty top 5 ranking?  I wasn't impressed when MU blew them out at the AL one month ago.

I have a hard time believing they are adding that much more than two proven veterans (Morrow and Chartouny) and two talented freshmen (Hauser and Bailey).

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2018, 03:43:28 PM »
What justifies Oregon's lofty top 5 ranking?  I wasn't impressed when MU blew them out at the AL one month ago.

I have a hard time believing they are adding that much more than two proven veterans (Morrow and Chartouny) and two talented freshmen (Hauser and Bailey).

http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2018/01/espn_basketball_recruiting_ran.html

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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2018, 03:47:06 PM »
What justifies Oregon's lofty top 5 ranking?  I wasn't impressed when MU blew them out at the AL one month ago.

I have a hard time believing they are adding that much more than two proven veterans (Morrow and Chartouny) and two talented freshmen (Hauser and Bailey).

Oregon brings in a monster recruiting class headlined by top-5 player Bol Bol (son of Manute). They have another solid 5-star in Louis King and borderline 4/5-star in Will Richardson. Personally, I think they will struggle to meet the lofty expectations most pundits have of them (they're top-10 almost everywhere) but in terms of talent, there will be few teams with more raw talent than the Ducks.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 03:51:36 PM »
Thanks all! Well, I had to travel from NY back to ATL yesterday and decided to really go back through transfers etc. Made more than 100 updates, and we actually moved up a few spots. Here are the top 32 and who each would face in the 1st round based on the current snapshot at www.valueaddbasketball.com (allow edits at https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4).

Marquette would need to beat a BYU/Michigan winner, then Tennessee, then Nevada and Oregon (two surprises but take a look at who they have right now) and then who knows from the top three (Nova, Kentucky and Kansas).

1   Kentucky   67.07   SEC   1   Lehigh/Texas Southern Winner
2   Villanova   57.26   BE   1   Stephen F. Austin/Howard winner
3   Kansas   56.58   B12   1   Vermont
4   Nevada   56.55   MWC   1   New Mexico St.
5   Oregon   55.99   P12   2   St. Francis PA
6   Auburn   55.56   SEC   2   Northern Kentucky
7   Duke   54.37   ACC   2   UC Davis
8   Mississippi St.   49.22   SEC   2   Rider
9   North Carolina   48.92   ACC   3   Liberty
10   UCLA   46.17   P12   3   Belmont
11   Gonzaga   45.87   WCC   3   Georgia St.
12   Syracuse   45.27   ACC   3   Marshall
13   Tennessee   45.05   SEC   4   Lipscomb
14   Maryland   44.78   B10   4   UNC Greensboro
15   LSU   44.15   SEC   4   Harvard
16   Virginia   44.12   ACC   4   Buffalo
17   Virginia Tech   41.66   ACC   5   Loyola Chicago
18   Ohio St.   41.55   B10   5   Houston
19   North Carolina St.   41.5   ACC   5   Davidson
20   Marquette   41.45   BE   5   BYU/Michigan winner
21   Michigan St.   41.44   B10   6   Washington/San Diego St. winner
22   South Dakota St.   40.36   Sum   6   Indiana
23   USC   39.83   P12   6   Alabama
24   Florida   39.7   SEC   6   Notre Dame
25   Texas   39.33   B12   7   Boston College
26   Montana   39.18   BSky   7   Iowa St.
27   Miami FL   38.22   ACC   7   Creighton
28   Arizona St.   38.02   P12   7   Wisconsin
29   Northeastern   37.88   CAA   8   Northwestern
30   Florida St.   37.62   ACC   8   TCU
31   Kansas St.   37.5   B12   8   Providence
32   Iowa   36.88   B10   8   Texas Tech

Thanks, John - interesting stuff. Your "top 32" includes: 8 ACC teams, 6 from the SEC, 5 mid or low majors, 4 from the BIG 10/14 and the PAC 12, 3 from the Big 12 and 2 from the Big East. Down year for the the conference?

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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 04:25:53 PM »
You are right about Taurean Thompson missing, he's not anywhere on the spreadsheet. I would imagine that he would raise them a few slots.

Quincy McKnight is included in the spreadsheet. He put up big raw numbers but his efficiency numbers on both offense and defense were pretty poor against very poor competition. I think he'll struggle in the Big East.

I also noticed that Jevon Thomas is still listed for Seton Hall but he was dismissed from the team so that will drop them some spots too.

Seton Hall will struggle next season. Myles Powell is a stud, Thompson should be solid, but the rest of that roster is replacement level or worse players according to value add.
Of course you would rush in to defend a flawed analysis. Since you are the master of flawed analysis based on faulty assumptions. Typical fake news liberal.

I am just going by what the author labeled in his own study, that is a solid starter at a mid major is worth 4 points.  Quincy McKnight is exactly that. A first team All NEC player .  If you care to look further , the input line was done incorrectly for McKnight.  It appears as if they put his name in but not all his correct information. The analysis needs to be done correctly. 

Quincy McKnight will do just fine in the Big East. A two year college player with almost 1,000 points in his career can play.  A player who scored 22 points in 22 minutes in a solid effort against a quality Arizona team or alternatively score 44 points in a college basketball game which he did against Bryant is a someone who will add more value than a guy who played effectively zero minutes and transferred and is still listed as part of Seton Hall in the study ( Dalton Soffer)

Also I fully understand that McKnight was a turnover machine. One of his worst games was against Fordham that year, but in full disclosure Chartouny had his worst game of the year as well that game.  Neither of which proves anything, other than statistics are subject to manipulation.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2018, 04:43:10 PM »
Of course you would rush in to defend a flawed analysis. Since you are the master of flawed analysis based on faulty assumptions. Typical fake news liberal.

I am just going by what the author labeled in his own study, that is a solid starter at a mid major is worth 4 points.  Quincy McKnight is exactly that. A first team All NEC player .  If you care to look further , the input line was done incorrectly for McKnight.  It appears as if they put his name in but not all his correct information. The analysis needs to be done correctly. 

Quincy McKnight will do just fine in the Big East. A two year college player with almost 1,000 points in his career can play.  A player who scored 22 points in 22 minutes in a solid effort against a quality Arizona team or alternatively score 44 points in a college basketball game which he did against Bryant is a someone who will add more value than a guy who played effectively zero minutes and transferred and is still listed as part of Seton Hall in the study ( Dalton Soffer)

Also I fully understand that McKnight was a turnover machine. One of his worst games was against Fordham that year, but in full disclosure Chartouny had his worst game of the year as well that game.  Neither of which proves anything, other than statistics are subject to manipulation.

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2018, 04:48:12 PM »
What justifies Oregon's lofty top 5 ranking?  I wasn't impressed when MU blew them out at the AL one month ago.

I have a hard time believing they are adding that much more than two proven veterans (Morrow and Chartouny) and two talented freshmen (Hauser and Bailey).

I'm struggling too with a top 5 ranking for Oregon. They have a very good recruiting class and Payton Pritchard is a stud, but they are a top 75 team losing three starters, two bench players, and half their scoring....I'm not convinced that two 5 star freshmen and two four star freshmen are enough to make them a top 5 team.
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2018, 04:59:37 PM »
Of course you would rush in to defend a flawed analysis. Since you are the master of flawed analysis based on faulty assumptions. Typical fake news liberal.

I am just going by what the author labeled in his own study, that is a solid starter at a mid major is worth 4 points.  Quincy McKnight is exactly that. A first team All NEC player .  If you care to look further , the input line was done incorrectly for McKnight.  It appears as if they put his name in but not all his correct information. The analysis needs to be done correctly. 

Quincy McKnight will do just fine in the Big East. A two year college player with almost 1,000 points in his career can play.  A player who scored 22 points in 22 minutes in a solid effort against a quality Arizona team or alternatively score 44 points in a college basketball game which he did against Bryant is a someone who will add more value than a guy who played effectively zero minutes and transferred and is still listed as part of Seton Hall in the study ( Dalton Soffer)

Also I fully understand that McKnight was a turnover machine. One of his worst games was against Fordham that year, but in full disclosure Chartouny had his worst game of the year as well that game.  Neither of which proves anything, other than statistics are subject to manipulation.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2018, 05:01:52 PM »
Bravo! Nice personal attack, makes you really smart.  ::)
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2018, 05:06:05 PM »
There is absolutely no good reason for me to get involved in this, but who exactly was TAMU backstabbing with his post? He said "I think he'll struggle in the Big East." What's objectionable about that? It's just an opinion. Certainly nothing that rises to the level of "flawed analysis" or "fake news."
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Stabbing from the front is preferred. TAMU specializes in passive aggressive back stabbing.
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2018, 05:10:47 PM »
A psychiatrist would do wonders for you.

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2018, 05:18:39 PM »
Will be great to see how next season plays out.  No more excuses.  We look to be a lock for the NCAA tourney given this analysis, AND the Big East looks to be WAY down.  Perfect combo for MU to take a step forward and finish in the Top 3 of Big East.

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2018, 05:37:22 PM »
Of course you would rush in to defend a flawed analysis. Since you are the master of flawed analysis based on faulty assumptions. Typical fake news liberal.

I am just going by what the author labeled in his own study, that is a solid starter at a mid major is worth 4 points.  Quincy McKnight is exactly that. A first team All NEC player .  If you care to look further , the input line was done incorrectly for McKnight.  It appears as if they put his name in but not all his correct information. The analysis needs to be done correctly. 

Quincy McKnight will do just fine in the Big East. A two year college player with almost 1,000 points in his career can play.  A player who scored 22 points in 22 minutes in a solid effort against a quality Arizona team or alternatively score 44 points in a college basketball game which he did against Bryant is a someone who will add more value than a guy who played effectively zero minutes and transferred and is still listed as part of Seton Hall in the study ( Dalton Soffer)

Also I fully understand that McKnight was a turnover machine. One of his worst games was against Fordham that year, but in full disclosure Chartouny had his worst game of the year as well that game.  Neither of which proves anything, other than statistics are subject to manipulation.

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2018, 05:40:15 PM »
Of course you would rush in to defend a flawed analysis. Since you are the master of flawed analysis based on faulty assumptions. Typical fake news liberal.

I am just going by what the author labeled in his own study, that is a solid starter at a mid major is worth 4 points.  Quincy McKnight is exactly that. A first team All NEC player .  If you care to look further , the input line was done incorrectly for McKnight.  It appears as if they put his name in but not all his correct information. The analysis needs to be done correctly. 

Quincy McKnight will do just fine in the Big East. A two year college player with almost 1,000 points in his career can play.  A player who scored 22 points in 22 minutes in a solid effort against a quality Arizona team or alternatively score 44 points in a college basketball game which he did against Bryant is a someone who will add more value than a guy who played effectively zero minutes and transferred and is still listed as part of Seton Hall in the study ( Dalton Soffer)

Also I fully understand that McKnight was a turnover machine. One of his worst games was against Fordham that year, but in full disclosure Chartouny had his worst game of the year as well that game.  Neither of which proves anything, other than statistics are subject to manipulation.

Stabbing from the front is preferred. TAMU specializes in passive aggressive back stabbing.

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What's with the anger? All I said is that I think McKnight will struggle in the Big East. I also agreed with you that Thompson will be a good addition for the Pirates.

McKnight was a very good starter for a low major team, not a mid major. That season the NEC was ranked 3rd to last in Conference RPI, ahead of only the lowly SWAC and MEAC conferences. Sacred Heart's SOS that season was 329th, for the most part McKnight racked up his stats against very weak competition and with absurdly high usage. His eFG% was 45.8% which is very meh. His offensive points per possession was in the 38th percentile of all Division 1 players and his points per possession allowed was in the 46th percentile, again against the 329th SOS. You already mentioned the 4.6 turnovers per game.

His style of play concerns me too. Generally speaking, three point shooters have an easier time jumping up levels of competition. Slashers tend to struggle because the skill of the opponent's defender plays a bigger role in their success. McKnight was able to slice up NEC level defenses....will he be able to do the same to Big East level ones?.....Well....he probably can against our Big East defense (womp womp)

About the two games you mentioned:

McKnight did score 44 points against Bryant (the 281st best team according to KenPom and 307th best defense), but needed triple OT in order to do. Still a great accomplishment but you left out some details.

McKnight also scored 22 points against Arizona.....but there is more to that story as well. McKnight scored 2 points in the first half. 20 of his points came in the 2nd half after Arizona was already up 24. Still, 20 points in a half against Arizona is impressive, though 12 of them occurred in garbage time after Arizona was up 30+ and had pulled their starters.

Look, despite all this, I think McKnight starts for Seton Hall and will have some good games. But I think the jump from the 3rd worst conference to one of the top 5 will take its toll. I think 7.5 points and 3.5 assists a game sounds like a reasonable projection to me.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2018, 05:42:11 PM »
Thanks all! Well, I had to travel from NY back to ATL yesterday and decided to really go back through transfers etc. Made more than 100 updates, and we actually moved up a few spots. Here are the top 32 and who each would face in the 1st round based on the current snapshot at www.valueaddbasketball.com (allow edits at https://tinyurl.com/y9mr9uu4).

Marquette would need to beat a BYU/Michigan winner, then Tennessee, then Nevada and Oregon (two surprises but take a look at who they have right now) and then who knows from the top three (Nova, Kentucky and Kansas).

1   Kentucky   67.07   SEC   1   Lehigh/Texas Southern Winner
2   Villanova   57.26   BE   1   Stephen F. Austin/Howard winner
3   Kansas   56.58   B12   1   Vermont
4   Nevada   56.55   MWC   1   New Mexico St.
5   Oregon   55.99   P12   2   St. Francis PA
6   Auburn   55.56   SEC   2   Northern Kentucky
7   Duke   54.37   ACC   2   UC Davis
8   Mississippi St.   49.22   SEC   2   Rider
9   North Carolina   48.92   ACC   3   Liberty
10   UCLA   46.17   P12   3   Belmont
11   Gonzaga   45.87   WCC   3   Georgia St.
12   Syracuse   45.27   ACC   3   Marshall
13   Tennessee   45.05   SEC   4   Lipscomb
14   Maryland   44.78   B10   4   UNC Greensboro
15   LSU   44.15   SEC   4   Harvard
16   Virginia   44.12   ACC   4   Buffalo
17   Virginia Tech   41.66   ACC   5   Loyola Chicago
18   Ohio St.   41.55   B10   5   Houston
19   North Carolina St.   41.5   ACC   5   Davidson
20   Marquette   41.45   BE   5   BYU/Michigan winner
21   Michigan St.   41.44   B10   6   Washington/San Diego St. winner
22   South Dakota St.   40.36   Sum   6   Indiana
23   USC   39.83   P12   6   Alabama
24   Florida   39.7   SEC   6   Notre Dame
25   Texas   39.33   B12   7   Boston College
26   Montana   39.18   BSky   7   Iowa St.
27   Miami FL   38.22   ACC   7   Creighton
28   Arizona St.   38.02   P12   7   Wisconsin
29   Northeastern   37.88   CAA   8   Northwestern
30   Florida St.   37.62   ACC   8   TCU
31   Kansas St.   37.5   B12   8   Providence
32   Iowa   36.88   B10   8   Texas Tech

Would be interesting to look at this analysis at the same time last year for the top 25 and then see where they ended up at year end. Even better look at a few previous years to see how well value add tracks versus actual year end results.
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Re: CRACKED SIDEWALKS: Marquette Debuts in Top 25 With Chartouny Signing
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2018, 05:46:39 PM »
Would be interesting to look at this analysis at the same time last year for the top 25 and then see where they ended up at year end. Even better look at a few previous years to see how well value add tracks versus actual year end results.

I'm sure Auburn has some data. I do know that he was one of the few (possibly only) who pegged Auburn as a top 25 team last season. Most others didn't have them making the tourney.
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