Chris Carrawell to Duke

[GGGG]

When one of us says, "addition by subtraction" regarding a PLAYER, it's a bit of a harsh assessment, even if true. We can make it because it's all there for us to see. I may have said it here or aloud once or twice, and regretted it, as most MU kids (sans maybe toddler) lay out their heart and soul for our program. Still, while effort is great, we all can see the player's on-court results/resume, and sometimes the harsh assessment fits, even when it merely describes individual skill or game performance and in no way makes a comment about the player's "fit", "character" or team chemistry.

When one of uses "+ by -" regarding a COACH, it's every bit as harsh, yet sometimes every bit as true. However, since the asst's handiwork is not visible to us (other than Scoopers seeing the general skills of the players he's been working with), when a poster makes this claim, it implies that the "author" has detailed evidence from specific sources that said coach is not getting the job done. Maybe his work ethic is lacking. Maybe his approach has gotten stale. Maybe he can't relate to players or other coaches, nor can they relate to him. Absent sources and specifics, we probably should refrain from saying it. I doubt the phrase fits for CC, but I have zero contacts who could attest.

I think that's all Sultan was getting at. I've never met the guy, I don't have a dog in this fight. Just think he keeps the board honest. I have problem with brevity (like here, lol) and he called me on it once, and he was right. We have a healthy board here. I can't say one poster really gets to me. Ok, maybe Tugg and his love of self-driving vehicles (and his penchant for lumping suburbanites into the "Luddite" category, lol). Na, he's ok. Best board in college basketball from the 20 or so I've perused. MU82 just summed things up extremely well above. Let's all see each others value. If we were "in person", sure we'd want to reach out and smack each other, that's often the nature of confident opinion givers and divergent personalities....which is what a message board is all about. Remember that in person, though, raised voices (at least at MU rah rah) almost inevitably lead to raised beer mugs and rarely fists. But if Sultan or WCGE take off their wristwatches....look out. :-)

Thank you.  However I was not at my best yesterday and I do apologize.

That being said if we were in a bar you'd probably find me very agreeable.

[GGGG]

Just bc I didn't state the basis doesn't mean it didn't have basis. Can you at least agree on that?

Of course.  And I am sorry.  Bad day yesterday impacted me here and that wasn't your fault.

Just when you say things so brief, you come off more like the game thread doofuses that say things like "Heldt sucks!" than you do a knowledgeable poster with some good info.

[Golden Avalanche]

Pretty damn good for a non-Milennial who didn't get to live through everyone-gets-a-trophy week.

Kids don't give themselves the trophy. Blame the parents, the coaches, and the organization for distributing trophies.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What kind of coach is Thorson.

High school. DeLaSalle. Set all sorts of state records for championships. Was an assistant at Drake last season

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Of course.  And I am sorry.  Bad day yesterday impacted me here and that wasn't your fault.

Just when you say things so brief, you come off more like the game thread doofuses that say things like "Heldt sucks!" than you do a knowledgeable poster with some good info.

All good man and I hope you're having a better day today.

I'm not here to pick fights with people and I just got the vibe that you were trying to do that with me.  However, reading your 2nd line above re doofus posters makes it clear why you took that tone so my apologies if I came across that way or got too defensive in my subsequent posts.  I don't have much of a posting history so I can see how my quick comment could've been interpreted as a troll just making some stupid, baseless comment.  It definitely was not that.

[Jay Bee]

What kind of coach is Thorson.

Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.

Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.

Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.

Sold.

Midwest ties, and would have street cred with HS coaches.

6 weeks ago I would have been majorly skeptical of a long-time HS coach translating to the high major game, but after reading profiles of guys like Yaklich & Oats it seems like that experience wires you to coach fundamentals. Bring him on.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Demands strong, consistent work ethic. GRINDER.

Yes, was at De for two decades+, but also an assistant under Clem Haskins at Minnesota in the early 90s (til '94)... one year at SoDak in the 80s. Gets buy in from players to work their tails off. See: Sacar and Reid Travis at Stanford for examples.

Thanks.  Sounds like a great fit. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Or you couldve simply asked for clarification before taking your typical arrogant, dismissive approach. But that wouldn't fit your personality.

I stand by what I said.

Maybe add some more detail in your post. 

[D'Lo Brown]

Kids don't give themselves the trophy. Blame the parents, the coaches, and the organization for distributing trophies.

The elderly generally assume their time was better. Some get quite agitated about it. See: USA, 2016.

[MU82]

The elderly generally assume their time was better. Some get quite agitated about it. See: USA, 2016.

I laughed.