Grad Transfer PG Scouting Guide

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

1. Clayton Custer

11 Loyola vs 6 Miami
2:10 pm CT on Thur
Tru TV

2. Ahmaad Rorie

14 Montana vs 3 Michigan
8:50 pm CT on Thur
TBS

3. Jon Elmore

13 Marshall vs 4 Wichita St
12:30 pm CT on Fri
TNT

[Silkk the Shaka]

Thank you for this

Hopefully Thursday is Custer's last stand with Loyola so the staff can get in on him ASAP

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Thank you for this

Hopefully Thursday is Custer's last stand with Loyola so the staff can get in on him ASAP

You're welcome.  Some good opportunities to get a sneak peak of what these players can do against top 25 competition.

[GGGG]

So...why would these guys leave?

[94Warrior]

So...why would these guys leave?

Clearly jealous of our 2 seed in the NIT.

[g0lden3agle]

So...why would these guys leave?

Similar to Carlino and Reinhardt, a i n a?

[Silkk the Shaka]

So...why would these guys leave?

In Custer & Rorie's case, they started out at high majors and now could write their own ticket to another high major that's poised to make a run and fits their skill set with major mpg available. Step up in competition and major step up in exposure.

See: Egor Koulechov from Rice, Elijah Brown from New Mexcio last year

[GGGG]

Similar to Carlino and Reinhardt, a i n a?

Not really.  These guys are starting point guards for NCAA teams right now.  Both Carlino and Reinhardt were coming off situations where there playing time was iffy. 

I don't think guys leave there school that easily when they are in a good situation.

[TedBaxter]

Agree with Sultan.  A guy like Elmore is so happy since he's a West Virginia kid and is extremely close to his family.  First NCAA team from Marshall in 33 years?

Not saying any of these guys won't grad transfer. Just saying that if you have a future 5th year guy who wasn't recruited by his current staff and isn't on a team that is likely NCAA bound next year, there's a better chance they take the option.

[Billy Hoyle]

Not really.  These guys are starting point guards for NCAA teams right now.  Both Carlino and Reinhardt were coming off situations where there playing time was iffy. 

I don't think guys leave there school that easily when they are in a good situation.

Carlino was asked to leave too.

Plus, if they transfer it has to be for a grad program their schools don't have.

[Goose]

sultan and Billy

I am learning a lot about the Carlino move today. I never knew he lacked playing time or was asked to leave. Thank you for sharing.

[GGGG]

sultan and Billy

I am learning a lot about the Carlino move today. I never knew he lacked playing time or was asked to leave. Thank you for sharing.

I said playing time was iffy.  He went from a starter to guy who came off the bench, and his mpg decreased from his sophomore to junior years at BYU. 

Here.  Read this.

https://lawlessrepublic.com/2014/07/22/matt-carlino-every-right-unhappy-byu-hoops/

Here's what Carlino had to say about his time with BYU Hoops:

"I had a really good experience at BYU, but I left for a reason, I wasn't fully happy with the basketball situation. I wanted to give myself a better opportunity for my final year."

[94Warrior]

Is there a listing of potential grad transfers, and their stats? 

I looked on page 1 of the recruiting thread, but not the other 499 pages.

[Litehouse]

Custer seems like the most realistic option.  Of Loyola's top 6 players, 3 are Seniors, while Custer and another player are potential grad-transfer options.  One of the graduating seniors (Ben Richardson) was a high school teammate of Custer, so that may have been a big attraction for him going to Loyola.  If Porter Moser takes a different job, Loyola might look very different next year.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Not really.  These guys are starting point guards for NCAA teams right now.  Both Carlino and Reinhardt were coming off situations where there playing time was iffy. 

I don't think guys leave there school that easily when they are in a good situation.

C'mon man.  Loyola Chicago, Montana and Marshall.....

MU (or really 80% of P6 programs) are a clear step up and a far better situation for those guys to get exposure to play professionally.  I would guess at least 1 of them will grad transfer, but obviously will be highly sought after.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Is there a listing of potential grad transfers, and their stats? 

I looked on page 1 of the recruiting thread, but not the other 499 pages.

There is a thread that was just bumped.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Carlino was asked to leave too.

Plus, if they transfer it has to be for a grad program their schools don't have.

Don't think that's the case any longer. Paging JayBee

[Silkk the Shaka]

Custer seems like the most realistic option.  Of Loyola's top 6 players, 3 are Seniors, while Custer and another player are potential grad-transfer options.  One of the graduating seniors (Ben Richardson) was a high school teammate of Custer, so that may have been a big attraction for him going to Loyola.  If Porter Moser takes a different job, Loyola might look very different next year.

Yep, really hope it plays out that way and he sees it the same way as us. Being from Kansas, I think Wichita St. (if they lose Shamet; but they also lose 3 other top complementary players) and Creighton (losing Foster) would be our biggest competition.

[GGGG]

Not to mention that those exceptions have become a joke.  The school would create some sort of custom grad program that the other school doesn't really "offer" anyway.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

They're all from one bid conferences. Loyola maybe could have gotten an at large this year but no guarantee.

An upset win or two could mean their coach gets a new job.

Maybe none of them transfer, maybe they all do.  Either way, this is a good way to gauge what might be out there.

[Eldon]

I'm not sure that we'll have a schollie available for Custer's younger brother.

[skianth16]

I would love to see Jon Elmore in the blue and gold. His C-USA championship game performance was insane. He was shooting like Rowsey did on senior day. Elmore had 20 or so in the second half, with a lot of those points coming from well behind the NBA line. He was a lot of fun to watch last week.

[brewcity77]

Not really.  These guys are starting point guards for NCAA teams right now.  Both Carlino and Reinhardt were coming off situations where there playing time was iffy. 

I don't think guys leave there school that easily when they are in a good situation.

Because being in a one-bid league where you have to win your conference tournament isn't a good situation. Even if their teams are favorites to win their leagues, they are more likely to land in the NIT than NCAA if they stay.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I would love to see Jon Elmore in the blue and gold. His C-USA championship game performance was insane. He was shooting like Rowsey did on senior day. Elmore had 20 or so in the second half, with a lot of those points coming from well behind the NBA line. He was a lot of fun to watch last week.

Did he look like he is capable of running the point, or more of a true SG?

[GGGG]

Because being in a one-bid league where you have to win your conference tournament isn't a good situation. Even if their teams are favorites to win their leagues, they are more likely to land in the NIT than NCAA if they stay.

Does this happen often?  A one-bid league starter who made the tournament transferring to a P6 program the next year?