The game that really cost us....

[Silkk the Shaka]

3rd.

The third place team in the BE gets in. Anyone who says otherwise in this thread in an idiot.

It woun't have been because of 3rd place via elaborate 4-way tie breaks that we made it though. USC was #2 in PAC12, made conference championship too, and was left out. Conference finish has nothing to do with it.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Untrue if the comitee actually doesn't look at the conference standings. Adding a DePaul win doesn't jump us over 4+ teams, the xavier game would have. X loss hurts more than DePaul loss looking back

Let ne say this
I do not think a 10-6 will ever not get into the ncaa.  People are right in no key wins but i also think 10-6 ( depaul game) will always get a BE team in

[Lennys Tap]

This game, that game, blah, blah, blah. What cost us was we weren't all that good. Fun to watch, yes - especially when the ball was going in the hoop. But even when we were on fire it took OT to win at crappy Georgetown. A team that leaks as bad as we did on D has zero margin foe error. Hope we go on a long run in the NIT but streaks are hard for teams who only play on one side of the court.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

This game, that game, blah, blah, blah. What cost us was we weren't all that good. Fun to watch, yes - especially when the ball was going in the hoop. But even when we were on fire it took OT to win at crappy Georgetown. A team that leaks as bad as we did on D has zero margin foe error. Hope we go on a long run in the NIT but streaks are hard for teams who only play on one side of the court.

Totally agree
We hit some shots but basically sucked, freshman and sophs show promise but too young.  I think all BE teams that got in start at least 3 seniors. 
Other problem was Rowsey n Howard scored 20 a game and that looks intriguing until u realize they each gave up 30 with their inability to guard their shadow

[burger]

Besides the obvious DePaul loss......

The loss to #12 seed Georgia at home was our worst loss......

That gives that committee a place holder on us vs. a lot of Big conference state schools.....and not in a positive light.....

We deserved what we got because we are 4th Quartile on defense......

Do you honestly know how bad that is?

[leever]

Let ne say this
I do not think a 10-6 will ever not get into the ncaa.  People are right in no key wins but i also think 10-6 ( depaul game) will always get a BE team in

Damn straight.  If we just could have won one more AND lost three less, we'd be in.

[Goose]

Lenny

Spot on. Not a very good team, but they did provide some entertaining moments. The little guys scored at rate that we never have seen at MU.

[lohaus]

I think it was the Depaul loss myself.  To me that sealed the deal.  That, and getting crushed in losses against good teams.  I dont think I could take another year of being happy we got into the tourney to get crushed in the first round again.  I cant count how many texts and messages i recieved that day when Georgia slapped us up.

[harryp]

The team that will win the NIT is probably the one that plays the best defense

[TallTitan34]

If we turned any conference loss into a win we make it.  It really doesn't matter who it was because a team that finishes third in the Big East at 10-8 is going to get in.

You are just arguing over what game would have improved our seed the most.

[GooooMarquette]

If we turned any conference loss into a win we make it.  It really doesn't matter who it was because a team that finishes third in the Big East at 10-8 is going to get in.

You are just arguing over what game would have improved our seed the most.

I would tend to agree if the committee had us right on the edge.  But all indications are that we weren't even one of the first four out.  I'm not so sure a win over DePaul would jump us over teams like ND, St. Mary's, USC and Baylor.  Note that three of the four "first four out" teams also had at least one win that was more impressive than our win @ PC (31 RPI).  ND beat Wichita State (11 RPI), SMU beat the Zags (22 RPI), and Baylor beat KU (5 RPI). The only of the first four out that doesn't have a better win than our @ PC was USC.

So of the 8 teams right on the edge (last 4 in, first 4 out) 7 out of 8 have a better signature win than MU.  Oh, and they all had at least one Q3 loss...some far worse than DePaul.

[CTWarrior]

Untrue if the comitee actually doesn't look at the conference standings. Adding a DePaul win doesn't jump us over 4+ teams, the xavier game would have. X loss hurts more than DePaul loss looking back

Well, adding a DePaul win doesn't help us all that much, but taking away a DePaul loss does.  We'll never know, but I think either the DePaul or the Xavier losses turned around would've gotten us in.

[brewcity77]

Well, adding a DePaul win doesn't help us all that much, but taking away a DePaul loss does.  We'll never know, but I think either the DePaul or the Xavier losses turned around would've gotten us in.

I think any loss would've put us in. Probably true of anyone on the top two NIT seed lines.

[MerrittsMustache]

Considering there were about 4-5 losses that were "the one" that cost us, it likely means that MU simply wasn't a tourney team this year.

[Its DJOver]

Well, adding a DePaul win doesn't help us all that much, but taking away a DePaul loss does.  We'll never know, but I think either the DePaul or the Xavier losses turned around would've gotten us in.

The committee made it pretty clear that having big wins was more important than not having bad losses.  That's how ASU got in.  Not losing to DePaul would have been about a 10 spot boost in RPI.  We weren't even first four out.  I don't think a bump of 10 in RPI jumps up over 4+ teams.  We'll never know, but my point is that if we could change one L into a W, the DePaul L to W scenario likely still see us on the outside looking in, no matter where we finished in conference standings.  Changing the Xavier L to W scenario likely sees us in and avoiding Dayton.   

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

One mega win probably does it. Either of the home games vs Xavier or Nova which were close.

Our profile would have been very similar to Butler and Creighton.

Otherwise, probably needed two. Providence or Butler, plus Georgia or @DePaul would have given us a profile similar to Seton Hall.

[Silkk the Shaka]

If we turned any conference loss into a win we make it.  It really doesn't matter who it was because a team that finishes third in the Big East at 10-8 is going to get in.

You are just arguing over what game would have improved our seed the most.

Why did the 2nd place regular season Pac12 team that made the Pac12 championship get left out?

10-8 would have likely gotten us a bid. But 3rd place in conference would have nothing to do with it.

[tower912]

I am still picturing Bridges pushing Cain out of the way to secure the offensive rebound at the end of the Villanova game.  Bridges was built along the lines of Cain as a freshman.  Weight room. Cain gets that rebound, Marquette goes down drains a 3......

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

3rd.

The third place team in the BE gets in. Anyone who says otherwise in this thread in an idiot.

Realistically, we were 1 win short.  I don't think it matters what loss you trade for a win, any one would work.  The Depaul one sticks out because it was a game we should win and it was a late and it was a kick in the nuts.

But had we beaten X, Nova, Butler, PC, Georgia...any of them, I think we're in and not in Dayton.  Give us the @Depaul W and it may be Dayton, but we would have been in. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

I am still picturing Bridges pushing Cain out of the way to secure the offensive rebound at the end of the Villanova game.  Bridges was but along the lines of Cain as a freshman.  Weight room. Cain gets that rebound, Marquette goes down drains a 3......

Or the hack on Sacar called... or anyone deciding to hit Sam wide open on the wing down the stretch several times against Xavier....

Bad dreams man.... baaaad dreams

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

If Seton Hall would have turned one point losses vs URI & Nova into wins, RPI wizard projects them at 19.

Suddenly Marquette has a little more shine on our resume without doing anything different.