Fatigue

[jesmu84]

Sam looks fatigued.

Or hampered by injury.

But I don't want to be accused of setting-up excuses.

[Floorslapper]

Jamal Cain ppp allowed: 0.96 (24th percentile)....7th on the team.

I love Jamal but I'm not sure he's a HUGE difference maker on defense. He is disruptive with his length but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired

Well.  Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?

[jesmu84]

Well.  Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?

"Eye test" when it works in your narrative. Got it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well.  Eye test says differently. Can you link where you are getting your data?

It matches what my eye test says. All data from Synergy.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Per Ners request:

Sam Hauser: .844 (57th percentile)
Greg Elliott: .859 (52nd percentile)
Harry Froling: .873 (48th percentile)...small sample size doe
Markus Howard: .913 (35th percentile)
Sacar Anim: .930 (30th percentile)
Matt Heldt: .945 (27th percentile)
Jamal Cain: .960 (24th percentile)
Theo John: 1.018 (14th percentile)
Andrew Rowsey: 1.062 (9th percentile) 

[Floorslapper]

Per Ners request:

Sam Hauser: .844 (57th percentile)
Greg Elliott: .859 (52nd percentile)
Harry Froling: .873 (48th percentile)...small sample size doe
Markus Howard: .913 (35th percentile)
Sacar Anim: .930 (30th percentile)
Matt Heldt: .945 (27th percentile)
Jamal Cain: .960 (24th percentile)
Theo John: 1.018 (14th percentile)
Andrew Rowsey: 1.062 (9th percentile) 

Thank you.  The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.

[jesmu84]

Thank you.  The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.

Discounting Synergy now?

Only things that support your narrative. Predictable.

[GGGG]

Discounting Synergy now?

Only things that support your narrative. Predictable.

And if nothing supports his narrative?  "Eye test."

At least he hasn't called him Lebron Cain yet so I guess that's progress.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Thank you.  The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.

Ah dismiss the data when you don't agree with it, classic.

But yes, ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat, no stat is (though eFG% is close). I was surprised by both Harry and Markus as well. Harry is the result of a small sample size. I think Marcus is the result of being repeatedly tasked with guarding inferior offensive players....or maybe my eye test is wrong on him.

The rest is pretty much what I expected.

[tower912]

Sam looks fatigued.

Looked fatigued both games.  Go rest, young man.

[connie]

Well,  that sucked.

[skianth16]

Looked fatigued both games.  Go rest, young man.

The kid always seems to have a tough assignment. Hopefully next year Joey, Cain and Morrow can help him out on defense to give him a bit of a break.

[Newsdreams]

Ah dismiss the data when you don't agree with it, classic.

But yes, ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat, no stat is (though eFG% is close). I was surprised by both Harry and Markus as well. Harry is the result of a small sample size. I think Marcus is the result of being repeatedly tasked with guarding inferior offensive players....or maybe my eye test is wrong on him.

The rest is pretty much what I expected.

This and the opposite for Sacar

[Floorslapper]

This and the opposite for Sacar

LOL.

So what's the logic on Froling having a markedly better D-Rating than Heldt?

Don't care who Markus Howard is guarding (granted it is usually the other team's shooting guard), he sure as hell aint the 3rd best defender on this team, nor is Harry Froling the 4th best.

Just shows that Synergy is not by any means the end all be all for measuring player's impact.

[brewcity77]

Thank you.  The fact Synergy shows Froling and Markus Howard as our 3rd and 4th best defenders tells me all I need to know.

That your eye test sucks?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

LOL.

So what's the logic on Froling having a markedly better D-Rating than Heldt?

Don't care who Markus Howard is guarding (granted it is usually the other team's shooting guard), he sure as hell aint the 3rd best defender on this team, nor is Harry Froling the 4th best.

Just shows that Synergy is not by any means the end all be all for measuring player's impact.

Sigh. A few corrections:

It's not d-rating, it's ppp allowed
Harry is 3rd, Markus is 4th.
Harry's sample size is half the size of any player due to coming in midseason and playing few minutes
No one said that Harry is the 3rd best defender or Markus is the 4th. They are 3rd and 4th in ppp allowed, this is a fact
Ppp allowed is not the end all be all stat. No stat is. But it is generally regarded as the best indicator of individual on ball defense.
Synergy is not a stat. It's a service that collects advanced stats. I have no reason to believe that it lies

Now having said all that, Cain is a better defender than both Markus and Froling IMHO. PPP allowed doesn't tell you everything and is affected by the quality of players that individuals are tasked with guarding. I'd put him as 5th best defender on the team behind Sam, Greg, Sacar and Matt. He has great length and gets deflections but his on ball defense leaves a lot to be desired and he has a tendency to get lost. I'm excited to see what he can develop into as he gets more experience. I was just challenging that he is HUGE defensive difference maker.