(debunked) Rumor: Froling Dismissed from Team

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

If Harry leaves, which is TBD right now, we will have used 2 years worth of scholarships on him with pretty limited output. Hard to find a silver lining there. Wojo knew he'd have Theo and Ike this year with Morrow eligible next year. I don't think he really needed to try to add a big for this year. I get why he did it, but I'm assuming there were other ways he could have tried to fill that scholarship spot.

Disagree i have no issues with taking a top 100 6'11 transfer.  If and again a "if" harry leaves or doesnt work out , that is 100% on harry n nothing to do with the coaches.  They simply provide an opportunity, some rise up and take it.  When the going gets tough some shy away.  Again not saying this is the case with harry, i have no clue.  Just saying if it ends poorly its 100% on harry.  Sometimes ya gotta dig in n fight for sonething

[Newsdreams]

If Harry leaves, which is TBD right now, we will have used 2 years worth of scholarships on him with pretty limited output. Hard to find a silver lining there. Wojo knew he'd have Theo and Ike this year with Morrow eligible next year. I don't think he really needed to try to add a big for this year. I get why he did it, but I'm assuming there were other ways he could have tried to fill that scholarship spot.

Maybe they knew from the beginning Ike was red shirting, Theo a freshman. Yes Froling had very limited playing time but had experience in a D1 program. 

[Its DJOver]

Very few programs can keep 13 scholarship players happy. Some programs (UW) have had scholarship players sit on the bench for four years and the players are totally fine with it.  We're never gonna have a team that goes 13 deep, 11 if you consider 1 red shirt a year and one sitting out as a result of transferring in, so I'm OK with gambling on a few scholarships every couple of years.  Ike may develop into a serviceable big, he may not.  The only reason that Ike is less of a gamble than Harry is that we'll have Ike for a longer time (which could even be seen as a reason that Ike is a bigger gamble if he doesn't pan out).

[spartan3186]

With no official announcement, I sort of suspect the message got scrambled when getting relayed to multiple people.

My guess is that he's made it known within the program that he's going to play pro-ball in Australia seem feasible.

I can certainly see how that message could change to "dismissed from the team" in a game of telephone. I'm going to hold off on changing the name of the thread until after the typical 5 pm news dump time period.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

With no official announcement, I sort of suspect the message got scrambled when getting relayed to multiple people.

My guess is that he's made it known within the program that he's going to play pro-ball in Australia seem feasible.

I can certainly see how that message could change to "dismissed from the team" in a game of telephone. I'm going to hold off on changing the name of the thread until after the typical 5 pm news dump time period.

Harry is in New York with the team.  He clearly was not dismissed. 

[Marquette Gyros]

Are u nuts?? Harry over Merritt?  Harry over ooze or otule??!!!
One can only surmise you never saw those guys play??  Merritt was a 3 yr starter including on a Final Four team, yes people butched he was soft, but that is relative.  He was an Fin bruiser compared to harry with a significantly better offensive skill set.  A Top 75 recruit n 1000 point scorer on loaded teams.  Man thats a topper!!

Plus effing one. Merritt on this squad = 3 more wins

[GooooMarquette]

Plus effing one. Merritt on this squad = 3 more wins

Yep.  Harry has some nice potential and I'd like to see him stick around and develop...but any comparison to Merritt is just crazy.

[tower912]

I think have forgotten how frustrating Merritt was without Jackson next to him.  For me, the most frustrating player this century from an expectation  versus results perspective.  So, I concede from a purely objective standpoint, he was better than Harry.  I would still take Harry over Ooze.

[WayOfTheWarrior]

I think have forgotten how frustrating Merritt was without Jackson next to him.  For me, the most frustrating player this century from an expectation  versus results perspective.  So, I concede from a purely objective standpoint, he was better than Harry.  I would still take Harry over Ooze.

Where does Jamil Wilson rank on this list? Just curious

[BrewCity83]

...and Kerry Trotter?

[tower912]

Where does Jamil Wilson rank on this list? Just curious

Behind Merritt.

[mr.MUskie]

Where does Jamil Wilson rank on this list? Just curious

+1

[willie warrior]

Well, one thing to be thankful for. Whoever started the statements on this board that Froling was a difference maker was certainly clairovoyant. Froling made no difference.

[GGGG]

Where does Jamil Wilson rank on this list? Just curious

Don't fault Jamil because your expectations were too high.  He was a solid player.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Well, one thing to be thankful for. Whoever started the statements on this board that Froling was a difference maker was certainly clairovoyant. Froling made no difference.

Ya, because you've never made a clueless comment.

[We R Final Four]

Don't fault Jamil because your expectations were too high.  He was a solid player.

Sultan—kinda surprised it took you so long to come to JW's 'expectation defense'.  This time it was over 20 minutes!

[Avenue Commons]

Where does Jamil Wilson rank on this list? Just curious

Jamil did make the NBA.

[jficke13]

I think have forgotten how frustrating Merritt was without Jackson next to him.  For me, the most frustrating player this century from an expectation  versus results perspective.  So, I concede from a purely objective standpoint, he was better than Harry.  I would still take Harry over Ooze.

I do remember how moving Merritt from 5 over to 4 and having Rjax on the floor opened his game up a ton.

[willie warrior]

Ya, because you've never made a clueless comment.

I guess we know that you must have been the difference maker pronosticator. Well done sir.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I guess we know that you must have been the difference maker pronosticator. Well done sir.

I, like many others, thought Harry would have a bigger impact than he has. I still think he could be a very good player at MU, but he's not there yet. Seeing as though he's basically a freshman in terms of playing time, I'm not particularly concerned. Hence why I'd like him to stick around and hope that he does.

[skianth16]

I, like many others, thought Harry would have a bigger impact than he has. I still think he could be a very good player at MU, but he's not there yet. Seeing as though he's basically a freshman in terms of playing time, I'm not particularly concerned. Hence why I'd like him to stick around and hope that he does.

I look forward to not seeing this argument appear over and over again. Just a few more weeks...

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

And btw merritt averaged 10 n 6, and 11 n 7 his last two years.  Frustrating heck yes he was but 10,000x the player Froling is right now

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I look forward to not seeing this argument appear over and over again. Just a few more weeks...

Lol. He's played significantly less minutes than Greg and Jamal and like 20 mins more than Theo in his career. So.....

[skianth16]

Lol. He's played significantly less minutes than Greg and Jamal and like 20 mins more than Theo in his career. So.....

Sure, but he has 365 more days of practice and strength training at the collegiate level than all 3, so....

As I've said all year long in response to the "Harry's basically a freshman" argument, if guys don't get better in a year of practicing without playing in games, why would a coach ever redshirt a player? Based on the minutes/games played standard, then there are a ton of juniors out there who are basically just freshmen, even some seniors.

Heading into the start of his Junior year, Frank Kaminsky had logged about 600 minutes in his college career, which is right about where Greg will be after Wednesday or Thursday night. Are you going to tell me that you think Greg Elliott, on March 8 of his freshman year is basically the same as Frank Kaminsky on November 1 of his junior year?

If Harry was playing well, we wouldn't hear this line trotted out so regularly, but since he's underperformed expectations, it's become over-used crutch for the overly-optimistic-on-Harry camp.

[GB Warrior]

I look forward to not seeing this argument appear over and over again. Just a few more weeks...

I tend to agree. This argument is one of expediency. When he was a redshirt freshman, we were all "He's had a whole year to build his body". It's also true there is no substitute for live action and that the Big East schedule is not the best place to get your first taste of it. All of these things can be simultaneously true.

I hope he comes back next year. There's still something untapped there. But I also won't be heartbroken.