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JakeBarnes

Froyo is dismissed from team. Wojo is in Ice Cream Truck mode--none of that weak froyo stuff.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

"We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others." -Camus, The Rebel

#UnleashSean

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
If the rumor is true,  something explosive had to happen last night. Wojo wouldn't play a player who was dismissed or about to be dismissed. He also wouldn't dismiss a player just for a scholarship spot right before the BET.

I also have seen none of the attitude issues that are coming out of the woodwork in this thread. I've seen a willing passer who is always cheering on the bench. The bench goes crazy when he scores and Sam and Markus have both told him to keep shooting during the game

On Saturday I noticed him being pretty quiet and steaming on the bench after he was taken out. Kind of like Rowsey was when he got benched vs Nova last year (When Deiner was grabbing him and stopping him from yelling at Wojo)

GoldenDieners32


LloydsLegs

Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 04, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
On Saturday I noticed him being pretty quiet and steaming on the bench after he was taken out. Kind of like Rowsey was when he got benched vs Nova last year (When Deiner was grabbing him and stopping him from yelling at Wojo)

I think he way pissed after being wide open under the basket and M2N seemed to look right at him and then did not pass it to him

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 04, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
I would just like to add that I got nothing.

I would like to make the same contribution to this thread.

Vander Blue Man Group

I'd prefer he stay - his potential is obvious.  That being said, if a player were to go I'd be least disappointed if it were him.

MU82

I heard he was pissed that on the last road trip, the team went to Chili's instead of Outback.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

GGGG

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2018, 12:00:57 AM
I'd prefer he stay - his potential is obvious.  That being said, if a player were to go I'd be least disappointed if it were him.

Is his potential really obvious?  Cause I don't really see it.

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fjm

I don't know about this rumor... I hope he stays. But I'm just posting in this thread in case someone offers $100 to all posters.

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Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2018, 12:12:09 AM
I heard he was pissed that on the last road trip, the team went to Chili's instead of Outback.

Was Arby's too busy?

D'Lo Brown

Quote from: #bansultan on March 05, 2018, 04:33:10 AM
Is his potential really obvious?  Cause I don't really see it.

Potentially a good backup center in Australia. Which, incidentally, is probably the most important factor in all of this. He has an obvious plan C, since plan A and B haven't worked...

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: #bansultan on March 05, 2018, 04:33:10 AM
Is his potential really obvious?  Cause I don't really see it.

Bigs develop slowly.  See all the "experts" here that wrote off Heldt as a waste of a scholarship midway through his freshman year.

He is far from home and the massive fluctuations in his weight should tell you the adjustment is tough.

He is still 20/21 years old.  We would like all young men to show the maturity of Howard but they do not and that is what makes Howard special.

Bottom line - never ever give up on a 6' 11" that can hit a three.  It might take time but it is worth the investment.

If that argument does not work, just do the opposite of the consensus opinion on this board and you will often be mistaken for the second coming of Nostradamus.

GGGG

I never wrote off Heldt because I thought the guy could at least bang a little on the inside.  He was a willing worker and defender from the get go.

Froling doesn't seem to be any of those things.

dgies9156

Quote from: #bansultan on March 05, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
I never wrote off Heldt because I thought the guy could at least bang a little on the inside.  He was a willing worker and defender from the get go.

Froling doesn't seem to be any of those things.

I have been critical of Heldt because he is a starter in a league where he is a 10-12 minute off the bench guy.

I like him, he works hard but he is not a Big East caliber starter.

So, if Froeling can't beat out Matt, where does that put him? I hope he stays and develops, but I am not optimistic.

tower912

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I'm with Tugg on this one.   Never give up on a big.    I don't know Harry's future.   I do know that if he had come to MU during the Crean years or Buzz years he would have gotten a lot of playing time and would have been among the best bigs either of those two managed to land.    He has the odd fate to come to MU when it is awash in bigs.   
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Tugg Speedman

Quote from: #bansultan on March 05, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
I never wrote off Heldt because I thought the guy could at least bang a little on the inside.  He was a willing worker and defender from the get go.

Froling doesn't seem to be any of those things.

Did not say you wrote off Heldt ... it was the "expert" opinion here that wrote him off.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: #bansultan on March 05, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
I never wrote off Heldt because I thought the guy could at least bang a little on the inside.  He was a willing worker and defender from the get go.

Froling doesn't seem to be any of those things.

His future is as a stretch 4.  We need to stop making him a blue-collar 5.

GGGG

Quote from: Tugg Speedman on March 05, 2018, 08:18:13 AM
His future is as a stretch 4.  We need to stop making him a blue-collar 5.


It was wide open for him to step into that role this year.  Remember he started by backing up Sam.  But he couldn't do it.  Now he will have Morrow and Joey in front of him as well.

He's MU's Alex Van Vliet.  Comes here with a reputation for scoring, but can't play defense worth anything and ends up not being much of a scorer as well. 

MU Fan in Connecticut

My kid for some reason follows Froling on Instagram.  He was looking for someone to play the game Fortnight with on either Friday or Saturday night.

skianth16

Quote from: Tugg Speedman on March 05, 2018, 08:01:30 AM
Bigs develop slowly.  See all the "experts" here that wrote off Heldt as a waste of a scholarship midway through his freshman year.

He is far from home and the massive fluctuations in his weight should tell you the adjustment is tough.

He is still 20/21 years old.  We would like all young men to show the maturity of Howard but they do not and that is what makes Howard special.

Bottom line - never ever give up on a 6' 11" that can hit a three.  It might take time but it is worth the investment.

If that argument does not work, just do the opposite of the consensus opinion on this board and you will often be mistaken for the second coming of Nostradamus.

His shot looks better than most bigs, but he isn't going to start to stretch defenses shooting 20% from 3. His best skillset right now is rebounding, followed by his passing. He does a nice job of getting himself in position to get boards and really distributes the ball well for a big guy. Maybe things can change this summer, but I don't see anything wrong with Harry being a more traditional big and not trying to be an outside threat.

The trouble we have this year and will likely have next year will be finding lineups that we can use him in. Next year we'll have 6 guys that can play the 4/5, so minutes are going to be tough to come by, not just for Harry, but for the whole group. If he's getting DNPs this year, odds are probably high that it will continue next year too.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 05, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
My kid for some reason follows Froling on Instagram.  He was looking for someone to play the game Fortnight with on either Friday or Saturday night.

It's a free game on the computer. Not exactly something you need access to a console for.

MU82

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 05, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
My kid for some reason follows Froling on Instagram.  He was looking for someone to play the game Fortnight with on either Friday or Saturday night.

So your kid beat Harry at some video game, Harry threatened him and was kicked off the team.

Truth revealed!
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RushmoreAcademy

Quote from: skianth16 on March 04, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
I can guarantee you Wojo will not find this post to be s distraction.

This is so good.

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