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CTWarrior

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22597009/longer-3-point-line-experimental-rules-used-nit

1.  Longer three point line (international distance)
2.  Wider lane
3.  Four 10 minutes quarters
4.  Shot clock is 20 instead of 30 off of an offensive rebound.

Does the NIT provide the court for the tournament.  Seems a bit much to get teams to scramble with 3 point lines and wider lines on such short notice.
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Its DJOver

No problem with trying new stuff for the NIT.  Biggest potential concern is it sounds like there's no more Bonus, only straight to Double Bonus.  Shouldn't effect us though because of our terrible free throw D.
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

MerrittsMustache

I like the idea of trying new things in the NIT. If nothing else, it may get a few more eyes on the TV.

Not a fan of going straight to Double Bonus though. Having to hit the front end of a late game one-and-one brings some extra excitement to a close game.


CTWarrior

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 27, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
I like the idea of trying new things in the NIT. If nothing else, it may get a few more eyes on the TV.

Not a fan of going straight to Double Bonus though. Having to hit the front end of a late game one-and-one brings some extra excitement to a close game.

Well, if we're in the NIT our opponents are usually long into the double bonus by the time the late and close situations arise.
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chapman

Better get the boys to start attempting them longer threes.  Only two weeks to prepare, eh?

GB Warrior

Quote from: chapman on February 27, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
Better get the boys to start attempting them longer threes.  Only two weeks to prepare, eh?

Think our team might be readier for that than just about any team in the country.

WarriorFan

Almost FIBA rules.   Maybe add 5 steps before traveling is called, and bring back the hand Check!!!
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Warrior of Law

#7
Sorry. Missed the earlier thread.
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Spaniel with a Short Tail

The women already have the 4 quarters, bonus at 5 fouls per quarter. I think it's a good change. Reset halfway through the half is less of a burden to foul prone teams like MU.

I agree that we are probably better prepared than most for these changes.

Good work NIT.

muwarrior69

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22597009/longer-3-point-line-experimental-rules-used-nit

1.  Longer three point line (international distance)
2.  Wider lane
3.  Four 10 minutes quarters
4.  Shot clock is 20 instead of 30 off of an offensive rebound.

Does the NIT provide the court for the tournament.  Seems a bit much to get teams to scramble with 3 point lines and wider lines on such short notice.

Why 4 10 minute quarters? Is that like an extra time out for commercials?

Mr. Nielsen

#10
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 27, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
No problem with trying new stuff for the NIT.  Biggest potential concern is it sounds like there's no more Bonus, only straight to Double Bonus.  Shouldn't effect us though because of our terrible free throw D.
Just like the women's game.
I dislike the one and one. Foul is on the defense. Why do you have to make the first free throw to get the 2nd attempt.
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Dawson Rental

Even if we don't kill opponents with threes from the longer line, opponents wil have to come out there to guard us given the success Rowsey and Howard can have from there resulting in a stretched out defense.
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AZMarqfan

I like how these last 3 years they've been experimenting with the NIT rules.  Last year they did quarters, right?  2 years ago they went to the shorter shot-clock and back-court times.  I like the longer 3. 

wisblue

#13
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 27, 2018, 05:36:56 PM
Why 4 10 minute quarters? Is that like an extra time out for commercials?

I would hope that they would eliminate at least one of the normal media timeouts. Those make the game choppy enough as it is without adding another one between the under 12 and under 8 timeouts. Just make the break in between quarters longer to make up.

In televised women's games I think there is one media timeout per quarter plus the break in between quarters.

oldwarrior81

I think the women have a media timeout at the first deadball under 5 minutes of each quarter.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2018, 03:39:15 PM

Does the NIT provide the court for the tournament.  Seems a bit much to get teams to scramble with 3 point lines and wider lines on such short notice.


I'm all for trying new things, but this is the one I wonder about.  I have no idea what it takes to get new lines all over a court, but my recollection is that the NIT games often start as soon as a couple days after the bids go out.  Seems like the second coat of paint would still be drying....

mu_hilltopper

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2018, 03:39:15 PM

Does the NIT provide the court for the tournament.  Seems a bit much to get teams to scramble with 3 point lines and wider lines on such short notice.


I would think the court issue would be a big deal.  I mean .. you find out you're hosting an NIT game on Sunday night, by Tuesday, you need to paint your court?

ChitownSpaceForRent

20 second shot clock after a offensive rebound is dumb. Same with going straight to the double bonus.

All for extending the 3 point line though.

GGGG

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 28, 2018, 08:57:16 AM
I would think the court issue would be a big deal.  I mean .. you find out you're hosting an NIT game on Sunday night, by Tuesday, you need to paint your court?


They'll use tape.  Any painting is done under a sealant so that won't be possible.

brewcity77

#19
Quote from: ChitownHagans on February 28, 2018, 09:01:46 AM
20 second shot clock after a offensive rebound is dumb. Same with going straight to the double bonus.

All for extending the 3 point line though.

I love the move to a 20-second shot clock in offensive rebound situations. I'd say the same should go for defensive non-shooting fouls and any other resets where the ball starts anywhere from half-court on up. That's more than enough time to reset once you're in the offensive half and helps prevent teams like Wisconsin from bleeding 60-90 seconds on offensive possessions. It will encourage more offensive play and free flow of play.

Mr. Nielsen

The one and one is just weird. The penalty is on the defense. So, why do you have to make the first free-throw, too get the second free throw. Glad the women's game got rid of that rule. Plus, the fouls reset after the quarter. Less free-throws to watch.
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Its DJOver

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 28, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
The one and one is just weird. The penalty is on the defense. So, why do you have to make the first free-throw, too get the second free throw. Glad the women's game got rid of that rule. Plus, the fouls reset after the quarter. Less free-throws to watch.
Makes games more exciting, get more people to watch, make more money.
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

Mr. Nielsen

#22
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2018, 09:36:24 AM
Makes games more exciting, get more people to watch, make more money.
So, a weird rule makes the game more exciting when the foul is on the defense. It makes the game exciting watching guys shot free-throws? I don't think any one is watching men's hoops because of the one and one.

The women's game has much better flow than the men's game. Fouls reset after each 10 minute quarter. You shot two after the 5th foul. The final 10 to 14 minutes of the game is not a free-throw contest.
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MU82

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 27, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22597009/longer-3-point-line-experimental-rules-used-nit

1.  Longer three point line (international distance)


Obviously a desperate attempt to Warrior-proof the NIT!

Although to Rowsey-proof it, they'd have to extend it to half court.
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Its DJOver

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 28, 2018, 10:05:16 AM
So, a weird rule makes the game more exciting when the foul is on the defense. It makes the game exciting watching guys shot free-throws? I don't think any one is watching men's hoops because of the one and one.

The women's game has much better flow than the men's game. Fouls reset after each 10 minute quarter. You shot two after the 5th foul. The final 10 to 14 minutes of the game is not a free-throw contest.
People don't watch just because of the 1 and 1, but it does make games more exciting, which causes more people to watch.  There's no way to quantify how much of an effect it has so it all come down to opinion.  Personally, I'm a fan of the 1 and 1.
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

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