FBI Probe into College Basketball

[Mu2323]

Breaking right now on ESPN. Teams that violated include, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan ST.North Carolina, Texas and USC.  ESPN saying possible suspensions happening as soon as this weekend.

This will effect the NCAA Tournament.

[jesmu84]

Breaking right now on ESPN. Teams that violated include, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Michigan ST.North Carolina, Texas and USC.  ESPN saying possible suspensions happening as soon as this weekend.

This will effect the NCAA Tournament.

Highly skeptical anything will happen to top end programs this year if ever. A lot of the purported violations can be denied by the schools as it appears it was just between the player and agent or agent and parents.

Also, there's a thread about this below.

[g0lden3agle]

I'm somehow missing the other thread involved.

If any of these top end programs sense the gig is up when it comes to specific players receiving benefits why wouldn't they immediately suspend the play in question so that the team doesn't go down with them?  As you said the school will argue it was between people outside of the school, the team itself may not get punished, but certainly any success the team has while the player is still on the team would eventually get nullified.

[T-Bone]

Interesting Day thread

[GoldenDieners32]

Players could potentially be decommitting soon if their school gets a suspension

[DienerTime34]

Highly skeptical anything will happen to top end programs this year if ever. A lot of the purported violations can be denied by the schools as it appears it was just between the player and agent or agent and parents.

Also, there's a thread about this below.

Extremely skeptical anything will happen this year. Every school involved will claim zero knowledge of any of this (See Xavier's statement), and go through an extended legal process and appeals process.

[WhiteTrash]

This will rock the college basketball world and rightfully so. Where is the best place to get news about this? ESPN is such a vested player in the schools and conferences, they cannot be trusted as an unbiased source of true news in this issue.

It will be nauseating to hear Bilas, Greenberg, Vital, etc. defend these coaches "who are the real victims". I suspect ESPN will champion DUKE, UNC, Texas, Kansas and Michigan State all getting a free pass to the Elite Eight for suffering through this.

As frustrating as the past few years have been at times being an MU fan, I am so very happy I am not an MSU alum. I used to really like Tom Izzo and I now I think he is a complete scum bag. Not only the way he runs his program but his comments about the the Nasser issue; "I hope they got the right guy" or words to that effect after all those brave women and girls testified was deplorable. (sorry for going a little off topic)

[brewcity77]

Some others hit a little closer to home. Isaiah Whitehead reportedly received $37,657. Edmond Sumner received at least $7,000 while in school. Diamond Stone received $14,303. Justin Patton met with Christian Dawkins from ASM Sports.

This makes me wonder a lot about how deep this goes and whether it not it might impact us. I know it's easiest to assume we are clean, but wouldn't most expect Seton Hall, Xavier, and Creighton are clean? Maybe the schools didn't know about any of this, but maybe they did. And what about Wisconsin? I suppose they'll excuse this as "that's why he went to Maryland" but the truth could easily be "we were outbid by Maryland."

[LAMUfan]

What about Seton Hall and Whitehead makes you assume they would be clean?  I read that and thought "yep".

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Creighton surprised me. Xavier I didn't expect but wasn't surprised. Seton Hall? Duh.

I don't see anything happening to schools this season... But maybe some schools will suspend involved players in hopes that they won't have any possible tournament runs vacated in the future.

[wadesworld]

What about Seton Hall and Whitehead makes you assume they would be clean?  I read that and thought "yep".

+1.

[PGsHeroes32]

Only Creighton surprised me and all I've seen for that was a dinner

X when I saw it was Sumner...not surprised

Seton Hall lol

[Pakuni]

To play devil's advocate, why shouldn't players be allowed to negotiate with and take money from agents against future earnings? As long as the money isn't coming from schools or players aren't being steered to particular programs, where's the harm?
Other than, of course, to the NCAA's phony and hypocritical stance on amateurism?

[Newsdreams]

To play devil's advocate, why shouldn't players be allowed to negotiate with and take money from agents against future earnings? As long as the money isn't coming from schools or players aren't being steered to particular programs, where's the harm?
Other than, of course, to the NCAA's phony and hypocritical stance on amateurism?

Supposedly some were steered into programs.

[Pakuni]

Supposedly some were steered into programs.

Nothing in today's report says that.

[swoopem]

Some others hit a little closer to home. Isaiah Whitehead reportedly received $37,657. Edmond Sumner received at least $7,000 while in school. Diamond Stone received $14,303. Justin Patton met with Christian Dawkins from ASM Sports.

This makes me wonder a lot about how deep this goes and whether it not it might impact us. I know it's easiest to assume we are clean, but wouldn't most expect Seton Hall, Xavier, and Creighton are clean? Maybe the schools didn't know about any of this, but maybe they did. And what about Wisconsin? I suppose they'll excuse this as "that's why he went to Maryland" but the truth could easily be "we were outbid by Maryland."

We haven't had any NBA talent/prospects in years (other than Henry) so why would an agency want to meet with our players?

As far as Henry, if I recall he signed with Jay Z's agency so he probably never met with ASM.

I do love how none of these guys even signed with ASM. Lots of money being thrown around and no ROI

[brewcity77]

We haven't had any NBA talent/prospects in years (other than Henry) so why would an agency want to meet with our players?

As far as Henry, if I recall he signed with Jay Z's agency so he probably never met with ASM.

I do love how none of these guys even signed with ASM. Lots of money being thrown around and no ROI

DJ Newbill is on the list and he never had any NBA prospects. Remember that professional basketball is played around the world, players received 6-7 figures in the equivalent of US dollars around the world, and agents can take advantage of that around the world. Juan Anderson is playing professionally in Mexico. Luke Fischer is playing professionally in Spain. Jajuan Johnson is playing professionally in Germany. I'm sure all of them have agents.

[rocket surgeon]

as long as all the other students are privy to the same, right?

[Newsdreams]

Nothing in today's report says that.

Previous reports when first guilty pleas were revealed. Some parents were given money to steer their sons to certain schools, and there is speculation that there were agreements between some assistants and the agents.

[Newsdreams]

DJ Newbill is on the list and he never had any NBA prospects. Remember that professional basketball is played around the world, players received 6-7 figures in the equivalent of US dollars around the world, and agents can take advantage of that around the world. Juan Anderson is playing professionally in Mexico. Luke Fischer is playing professionally in Spain. Jajuan Johnson is playing professionally in Germany. I'm sure all of them have agents.

Thought he left the team came back home

[BrewCity83]

DJ Newbill is on the list and he never had any NBA prospects.

So...maybe Newbill didn't get "Newbilled".  Maybe he got a chance to get paid and couldn't get MU to buck up?

[chapman]

So...maybe Newbill didn't get "Newbilled".  Maybe he got a chance to get paid and couldn't get MU to buck up?

Seems to be a $2,000 loan on a balance sheet on 12/31/15, and another note "paying back July 2017".  Could have been just to help cover his upfront expenses as he was turning pro.  They seem to not be able to determine if it even occurred prior to his graduation at Penn State, since they didn't list the school.

[skianth16]

For some of the loan items listed in the report, are loans illegal or against NCAA violations if they are related to a player going pro? For example, I doubt that it would be illegal if a player signed with an agent and took a loan of $5K to cover expenses related to travel and training leading up to a combine. How else would some of these guys be able to afford that? I can see how the NCAA may prohibit that, but a lot of guys won't care because they're on short time with the NCAA by that point anyway.

[brewcity77]

Thought he left the team came back home

He may well have, just illustrating that players under Wojo have turned pro since he got here and there is money to be made for non-NBA guys and their agents.

[Newsdreams]

He may well have, just illustrating that players under Wojo have turned pro since he got here and there is money to be made for non-NBA guys and their agents.

That would be correct.