Need some help. Who do we want to win (besides Marquette)?

[moomoo]

I know , I know. I want Marquette to win and that’s all that matters.

But outside of the that, do we want Seton Hall, Providence and Creighton (besides when they come to town) to win every game, just to help RPI?

Or is it better to have SH continue to collapse, assuming we win? 

I’ve read some conflicting opinions in other topics.

Thanks.

[brewcity77]

Conference wins and losses only affect RPI negligibly because we play everyone twice. At this point I think the main teams to cheer for are Xavier, Villanova, DePaul, St. John's, and Georgetown. XU and Nova we can't catch, and if we win out the bottom feeders can't catch us.

Best case scenario, everyone else finishes 9-9 and we run the table. Sole possession of 3rd in a league that will probably still get 6-7 bids would have us locked in pretty well. Still be around the 8/9 line, but at least a shot at winning a game.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Conference wins and losses only affect RPI negligibly because we play everyone twice. At this point I think the main teams to cheer for are Xavier, Villanova, DePaul, St. John's, and Georgetown. XU and Nova we can't catch, and if we win out the bottom feeders can't catch us.

Best case scenario, everyone else finishes 9-9 and we run the table. Sole possession of 3rd in a league that will probably still get 6-7 bids would have us locked in pretty well. Still be around the 8/9 line, but at least a shot at winning a game.

Any scenario that we end up ahead of PC is good. Any scenario that we end up in a three way tie with PC and Hall is good. I think at this point we should be cheering for whatever gets us a top 6 seed. We probably don’t want Hall to completely implode since they are 2 of our best wins. We also probably don’t want to tie with Butler since that’d really hurt us in the mini conference. I think rooting for Butler to get the 3 seed wouldn’t be all bad.

Just because I love this conference and I want it to get 7 bids, I am always going to have a hard time cheering for DePaul, Gtown or SJU the rest of the season.

[brewcity77]

If we win out, tying with Creighton will also be fine as it adds 2 wins to and mini conference.

[IrwinFletcher]

When Joe Lunardi was being interviewed yesterday, someone asked him about some team and their conference record and standing in said conference. 

He replied by saying that the committee doesn’t look at where you land in standings and in essence said that everyone is an independent when it comes to the selection committee.

In terms of placement for the conference tournament, that might be something else, but in getting into the tournament, the most important game is the CU game on 3/3.  Win that game and that gives us another Q1 win which would be pretty impressive for our case.

[Class71]

If we go 10-8 we get a bid. I listed the desred outcomes for other teams just after the SJ loss but that is not critical. It will continue to be a long shot for us to run the table but the first big step we took last night was extremely critical. It will not get easier, however.

Also I think Marcus is a very, very important part of our team although he and Rowsey have well discussed weaknesses. The problem has been playing the two together. Either of them alone will work to our advantage.

Wojo said when Rowsey has a high number of assists we win. Very true and Marcus will need the same skill when Rowsey is not on the floor.. I look forward and pray for Marcus's recovery and his contribution to our team over the coming months and years.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I know , I know. I want Marquette to win and that’s all that matters.

But outside of the that, do we want Seton Hall, Providence and Creighton (besides when they come to town) to win every game, just to help RPI?

Or is it better to have SH continue to collapse, assuming we win? 

I’ve read some conflicting opinions in other topics.

Thanks.

As others mentioned, conferences foes don't move your RPI very much because we've played both teams an equal amount of times. What matters now is the quadrants.

Tier 1: 1-30 at home, 1-50 neutral, 1-75 on the road
Tier 2: 31-75 at home, 51-100 neutral, 76-135 on the road
Tier 3: 76-160 at home, 101-200 neutral, 136-240 on the road
Tier 4: 161+ at home, 201+neutral, 241+ on the road

Here's MU opponents current RPI:
MtSM: 232
Purdue 13
VCU 136
LSU 75
Eastern Illiniois 273
Chicago State 340
Georgia 65
Vermont
@Wisconsin 133
Northern Illinois 235
American 332
Xavier 3
Georgetown 128
@Providence 36
@Villanova 2
Seton Hall 24
@Butler 39
DePaul 181
@Xavier 3
Villanova 2
Butler 39
Providence 36
@Seton Hall 24
@Saint John's 70
@Creighton 33
Saint John's 70
@DePaul 181
@Georgetown 128
Creighton 33

The bolded are games close enough to cutlines that teams could either move up or down a quadrant. These are the teams that we want to win (possibly excluding fellow bubble teams).

If all these RPIs stay the same (they won't)....and we to win all of our remaining games.....this is what our final quadrant breakdown would look like:

1: 4-8
2: 6-3
3: 3-0
4: 6-0

If everything goes right with the teams I bolded here's how good it could look:

1: 6-10
2: 3-1
3: 1-0
4: 5-0

If everything goes wrong with the team I bolded here's how bad it could look:

1: 3-7
2: 3-3
3: 7-1
4: 6-0

That's a potentially huge swing in quality of resume. So DePaul and Saint John's might be the two teams we want to win more than anyone (both of our games against them have a potential to move quadrants).

[MU82]

My head just exploded.

I'll just settle for rooting for the Warriors, rooting against Notre Dame, and fighting real hard to not root against F%cky.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Good analysis TAMU.