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wadesworld

The two "point guards" on our roster lead our team in field goal attempts in conference play by a wide, wide margin.  They are also dead last and 3rd from last (with Harry sandwiched in between) in eFG%.

Going into today, Markus led MU in FG attempts in BE play at 206, Rowsey was second at 158, and then Sam was third at 114.

In terms of overall shooting percentage, Rowsey is dead last on the team in BE play at 36.1%, Markus is 2nd last at 44.7%, and Sam is 6th at 48.2%.

Sam is shooting 47.5% from 3, Markus 37.8%, and Rowsey 37.5%

eFG% Rowsey is dead last at 46.5%, Markus is 3rd last at 53.6%, and Sam is 3rd at 61.0%.

The number of times this season that Sam has been standing in the corner or on the wing wide open waving for the ball while one of Markus or Sam is driving with their head down into 3 defenders that have 8"+ on them is maddening.

The defense isn't good at all, obviously, but it wasn't good at all last year either and we finished 10-8 in the BE.  The offense has been a big time letdown, and when your two "point guards" are shoot first, second and third players who struggle to find their teammates and aren't shooting the ball well, well, it's a recipe for a disappointing season.

Moral of the story, this team desperately needs to add a true point guard going into next season.  Joey and Morrow (and maybe even Bailey) will be big time help.  But if Markus is running the point guard and being backed up by...?  Elliott, I guess?  Uh-oh.

GoldenZebra



GGGG

Quote from: GoldenZebra on February 10, 2018, 04:19:34 PM
can sam play the point?


Can he break down a defense off the dribble?  I don't think so.

4everwarriors

Sum folks here will burst a hemorrhoid tonite if VT tops UVA, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 10, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
Sum folks here will burst a hemorrhoid tonite if VT tops UVA, aina?

Has zero to do with us.

Less than zero, if that's possible.

In other words ...

Eye doo knot care, henahoo!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Dats yew Nads. Can't deny da heet just rose a few dagrees on Wojo's seat, doe, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Smokin' Jae

Quote from: wadesworld on February 10, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
The two "point guards" on our roster lead our team in field goal attempts in conference play by a wide, wide margin.  They are also dead last and 3rd from last (with Harry sandwiched in between) in eFG%.

Going into today, Markus led MU in FG attempts in BE play at 206, Rowsey was second at 158, and then Sam was third at 114.

In terms of overall shooting percentage, Rowsey is dead last on the team in BE play at 36.1%, Markus is 2nd last at 44.7%, and Sam is 6th at 48.2%

Sam is shooting 47.5% from 3, Markus 37.8%, and Rowsey 37.5%

eFG% Rowsey is dead last at 46.5%, Markus is 3rd last at 53.6%, and Sam is 3rd at 61.0%.

The number of times this season that Sam has been standing in the corner or on the wing wide open waving for the ball while one of Markus or Sam is driving with their head down into 3 defenders that have 8"+ on them is maddening.

The defense isn't good at all, obviously, but it wasn't good at all last year either and we finished 10-8 in the BE.  The offense has been a big time letdown, and when your two "point guards" are shoot first, second and third players who struggle to find their teammates and aren't shooting the ball well, well, it's a recipe for a disappointing season.

Moral of the story, this team desperately needs to add a true point guard going into next season.  Joey and Morrow (and maybe even Bailey) will be big time help.  But if Markus is running the point guard and being backed up by...?  Elliott, I guess?  Uh-oh.

Sabermetric guy here. They have the three highest usages on the team. Markus' eFG% is just fine given his usage, in fact it's very good. eFG% not a problem with this team

We R Final Four

I understand your position Wades. But today, Sacar was terrible. Harry and Heldt miss ALOT of bunnies on the roll/slip(not specifically today, but in general). Both GE and JC were scared and would not take the open shot, which resulted in multiple turnovers. When GE drives, he is looking to pass in the lane, not shoot. Sometimes good, oftentimes bad. JC had butterfingers all day long.
Come late in the second half it was all hero ball.
Again, I get your points, but this is an incomplete team.
Today we Desperately needed SA, GE and JC and the were collectively MIA.

willie warrior

Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 10, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Dats yew Nads. Can't deny da heet just rose a few dagrees on Wojo's seat, doe, aina?
With the way we are playing, there should be a blast furnace under his ass, but we will really be good next year...or maybe the year after.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

tower912

9 scholarship players
3 play the same position
2 starting guards <6'.   Who lead the team in scoring.
1 senior
1 junior
4 sophomores  (one a red-shirt, one who is a freshman in experience but a sophomore in eligibility)
3 outside-the-top-100 freshmen.
4 players returning from last year's team. 

I, too, was overly optimistic about what this combination could accomplish.    But if you look at that roster in a vacuum and then put it in a top conference, it is fairly easy to see how it could be 5-8. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

4everwarriors

Yeah, Wojo's tokhes oughta bee blisterin', hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

bilsu

Quote from: wadesworld on February 10, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
The two "point guards" on our roster lead our team in field goal attempts in conference play by a wide, wide margin. 
Neither are point guards and that is part of the problem.
I believe the Big East coaches and many of the magazines picked us to finish 7th. We are doing as expected by the prognosticators, who could see our talent limitations. Had they known Haanif was going to transfer, they probably would of picked us 8th.

Floorslapper

Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2018, 06:01:35 PM
9 scholarship players
3 play the same position
2 starting guards <6'.   Who lead the team in scoring.
1 senior
1 junior
4 sophomores  (one a red-shirt, one who is a freshman in experience but a sophomore in eligibility)
3 outside-the-top-100 freshmen.
4 players returning from last year's team. 

I, too, was overly optimistic about what this combination could accomplish.    But if you look at that roster in a vacuum and then put it in a top conference, it is fairly easy to see how it could be 5-8.

1 Head Coach who has navigated us to the above reality in Year 4 of his tenure.  Granted, some felt Wojo was handcuffed last year due to not having all "his guys," and that Duane, JJJ, Luke were empty cupboard remnants that Wojo was shackled with.  Yet, we regress in Year 4 with all of Wojo's men.

He's improving some as a coach, but he set a pretty low bar based on Years 1&2.  Next year will be the rubber meets the road year.  There can be no more excuses for next year's team.  Either Wojo gets the job done and the team solidly in the NCAA tournament, or MU needs to consider if they are getting fair ROI.


GGGG

Quote from: Floorslapper on February 10, 2018, 06:13:54 PM
1 Head Coach who has navigated us to the above reality in Year 4 of his tenure.  Granted, some felt Wojo was handcuffed last year due to not having all "his guys," and that Duane, JJJ, Luke were empty cupboard remnants that Wojo was shackled with.  Yet, we regress in Year 4 with all of Wojo's men.

He's improving some as a coach, but he set a pretty low bar based on Years 1&2.  Next year will be the rubber meets the road year.  There can be no more excuses for next year's team.  Either Wojo gets the job done and the team solidly in the NCAA tournament, or MU needs to consider if they are getting fair ROI.


Yep.

connie

Quote from: Floorslapper on February 10, 2018, 06:13:54 PM
1 Head Coach who has navigated us to the above reality in Year 4 of his tenure.  Granted, some felt Wojo was handcuffed last year due to not having all "his guys," and that Duane, JJJ, Luke were empty cupboard remnants that Wojo was shackled with.  Yet, we regress in Year 4 with all of Wojo's men.

He's improving some as a coach, but he set a pretty low bar based on Years 1&2.  Next year will be the rubber meets the road year.  There can be no more excuses for next year's team.  Either Wojo gets the job done and the team solidly in the NCAA tournament, or MU needs to consider if they are getting fair ROI.
5 years is more than fair. 
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything Kent.  40% of all people know that."  HJS

tower912

I concede the point that Wojo is responsible for the roster composition.  Do you acknowledge that any coach would be challenged to win big with this roster?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Badgerhater

Basketball is about matchups.  We match up well against SetonHall but apparantly no one else.

Stretchdeltsig

Wojo doesn't know how to defend teams from getting to the rim.  Our big guys are playing out of position half the time, leaving the basket open for easy layups.

Badgerhater

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 10, 2018, 06:41:46 PM
Wojo doesn't know how to defend teams from getting to the rim.  Our big guys are playing out of position half the time, leaving the basket open for easy layups.

Bigs defend better when others defend better.

GoldenZebra

We've all seen short guards have their way in CBB (Canaan, Walker, Napier, just to name a few). They just need to play smarted and get the rest of the team more touches.

GoldenZebra

Quote from: Badgerhater on February 10, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
Basketball is about matchups.  We match up well against SetonHall but apparantly no one else.

SHU just lost to GTown, they arent looking as good as we may have thought. 6-6 in BE play.

Badgerhater

Quote from: GoldenZebra on February 10, 2018, 06:45:04 PM
SHU just lost to GTown, they arent looking as good as we may have thought. 6-6 in BE play.
Perhaps then that is why we match up well against them.

tower912

If they would only ban the high pick and roll.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GoldenZebra

Quote from: Badgerhater on February 10, 2018, 06:46:32 PM
Perhaps then that is why we match up well against them.

Yeah. Doesnt look good when our "best" win of the season is a middle of the pack BE team.

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