Markus foul trouble

[LloydsLegs]

Markus is not a good defender.  He compounds that by committing 2 or 3 unnecessary fouls in EVERY game.  He has 2 fouls by the 10 minute mark in almost every game.  That results in a combination of limiting his minutes, limiting Wojo's options for combinations, and further hampering his limited ability to guard bigger and/or quicker players when he can't afford to be aggressive.

Why can't he learn not to take a chance with ticky-tack reach-ins etc? 

This is more in the way of venting. I know Wojo must be coaching him to stop this.  I know Markus knows this.  Arrrggghhhh. 

[tower912]

Bring him off the bench

[PGsHeroes32]

Bring him off the bench

Thats not gonna work much if he keeps fouling at the same rate tho.

He needs to play 30 mins. So the key is not getting a lot of fouls and playing those 30 min

[NickelDimer]

He commits too many fouls, but like Theo he gets called for some really questionable fouls. That loose ball foul is a perfect example

[DUNKS45]

He commits too many fouls, but like Theo he gets called for some really questionable fouls. That loose ball foul is a perfect example

exactly how I feel about it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He commits too many fouls, but like Theo he gets called for some really questionable fouls. That loose ball foul is a perfect example

Markus is too little and Theo is too big. We just can't catch a break!

[Markusquette]

Who is Marcus?

[real chili 83]

He's barely 18 too.

[vogue65]

Let him foul out a few times, so what.
Sitting on the bench is not unlike fouling out and sitting on the bench.
Let the refs.take some responsibility for ticky-tacky fouls.
Where is it written that players have to sit with two or three fouls?
If he is so valuable at crunch time, keep him on the bench until the last two minutes and the let him go nuts and foul all he wants and let the refs have a ball.

[Lennys Tap]

He commits too many fouls, but like Theo he gets called for some really questionable fouls. That loose ball foul is a perfect example

Yeah, that loose ball foul call should have gone against Georgetown.

[tower912]

Needs to pick Macura's brain.  He'll never get called for another foul.

[D'Lo Brown]

He commits too many fouls, but like Theo he gets called for some really questionable fouls. That loose ball foul is a perfect example

I think he's pretty clearly in his own head about it at this point. His mindset is impeding his game.

The biggest fallacy in the sports world is that referees are "out to get" certain players. Referees can be good, average, bad. They are human beings. And they are certainly being encouraged these days to call every minor contact as a foul. But it is what it is. Markus would be far better served accepting these fouls as just a bad call, human referee, and moving on.

Further, I will add. If you consistently antagonize referees, the not-so-good ones will be watching your every move and perhaps out to get you. This happens across all sports.

Could probably say the same thing about Theo as well as Markus, really, but obviously Theo being in foul trouble isn't as big of a deal.

[LloydsLegs]

Who is Marcus?

Fixed.

[Newsdreams]

I think he's pretty clearly in his own head about it at this point. His mindset is impeding his game.

The biggest fallacy in the sports world is that referees are "out to get" certain players. Referees can be good, average, bad. They are human beings. And they are certainly being encouraged these days to call every minor contact as a foul. But it is what it is. Markus would be far better served accepting these fouls as just a bad call, human referee, and moving on.

Further, I will add. If you consistently antagonize referees, the not-so-good ones will be watching your every move and perhaps out to get you. This happens across all sports.

Could probably say the same thing about Theo as well as Markus, really, but obviously Theo being in foul trouble isn't as big of a deal.

Theo's problem is similar to Shaq's is so steong people that run into him look like they were fouled. Refs hopefully will learn to recognize the difference.

[D'Lo Brown]

Theo's problem is similar to Shaq's is so steong people that run into him look like they were fouled. Refs hopefully will learn to recognize the difference.

Haha yeah, and honestly Theo always has a mean look on his face... He is an intimidating individual and worst of all, he sticks out like a sore thumb on this Marquette team. He's the only guy that looks tough at all. So if you look at it that way, makes sense why the refs are mesmerized with him thus far.

[vogue65]

Haha yeah, and honestly Theo always has a mean look on his face... He is an intimidating individual and worst of all, he sticks out like a sore thumb on this Marquette team. He's the only guy that looks tough at all. So if you look at it that way, makes sense why the refs are mesmerized with him thus far.

My wife says, that's me.  Only solution, a sh..t eating grin on the face.  Devante was great at that act.  He would just throw his hands up and laugh.  A littly sarcastic, but it worked.  My oversized black friends tell me they have to be especially careful when they are on the street.  It is the way it is. 

[Jay Bee]

My oversized black friends tell me they have to be especially careful when they are on the street.  It is the way it is.

Sounds a lot like having a certain last name will make people (MU82) conclude as to your religion.

[mug644]

I think he's pretty clearly in his own head about it at this point. His mindset is impeding his game.

The biggest fallacy in the sports world is that referees are "out to get" certain players. Referees can be good, average, bad. They are human beings. And they are certainly being encouraged these days to call every minor contact as a foul. But it is what it is. Markus would be far better served accepting these fouls as just a bad call, human referee, and moving on.

Further, I will add. If you consistently antagonize referees, the not-so-good ones will be watching your every move and perhaps out to get you. This happens across all sports.

Could probably say the same thing about Theo as well as Markus, really, but obviously Theo being in foul trouble isn't as big of a deal.

Do you see the contradictory nature in the two bolded sentences? Seems to me that if some refs might be "perhaps out to get you" then the fallacy is not a fallacy, no?

[vogue65]

Sounds a lot like having a certain last name will make people (MU82) conclude as to your religion.

Vogue65 means I drank and was a baretender at the Vogue in the mid 60's, it was across the street from the library and next to the real, Real Chili.  I cary an Irish and American passport, live in Italy and New Jersey, and have no idea what religion I am.  Just put me down as dark Irish.

[4everwarriors]

O, one those kind, hey?

[vogue65]

O, one those kind, hey?

Yes, when we could tell which way the wind was blowing from the smell.  Stock yard, brewery, or chocolate.  You could tell one brewery smell from another.
The engineers wore pocket protectors and carried slide rules, I'll stop...we are suppose to be talking about Markus killing it tomorrow night.

[D'Lo Brown]

Do you see the contradictory nature in the two bolded sentences? Seems to me that if some refs might be "perhaps out to get you" then the fallacy is not a fallacy, no?

Sorry, you're definitely right, should have worded it better.

I more meant that referees are not looking to make anything personal. If you give a bad referee a reason to make things personal (by watching your every move), it happens.

For example, a coach (say, Wojo) antagonizes referees, says the call was stupid, they're stupid, rants and raves. A good referee understands that coaches are high-strung individuals and once they let off their steam, they forget about it in like 5 seconds. A bad referee instead takes it personally and waits for Wojo to step out of the box later in the game, and calls a technical. This example is functionally different than referees coming into the game "out to get" Wojo from the start, being corrupt, or similar scenarios. It's probably happened, but the frequency that players/coaches/fans are convinced that referees are "out to get them" is significantly higher than the frequency of referees that actually are.

Also, I was trying to frame it in the perspective that Markus and Theo should see it. It is not their responsibility to officiate the referees; once a call is called there is no effect of pouting, whining, ranting and raving besides completely taking their focus off of the game. The referees are calling minor, inconsequential contact as fouls, which is understandably frustrating. However, the player needs to be trained mentally to either use it in a positive way (chip on shoulder) or move on completely.

It's definitely an interesting conversation overall, especially wrt the current season, as it seems the foul differential is drastically in favor of opposing teams (could well be wrong, but sure seems that way). Regardless, I hope that Wojo is a sensible coach and teaches his players that he is the one to deal with the referees; the players (as in any sport) are to play the game.

Also: it's complete conjecture on my part that it is getting in Markus's head and having an effect on his play. Only he can say.

[CTWarrior]

Let him foul out a few times, so what.
Sitting on the bench is not unlike fouling out and sitting on the bench.

This.  I can't stand the habit many coaches have of taking a kid out when they get their second foul for the remainder of the first half, especially when it is around the midway point.  Why sit a kid out for 9 or 10 minutes because he has two fouls?  Wojo will let some guys play with two fouls in the first half, and I like that.  He basically does it because he feels one of Rowsey or Howard needs to be on the floor at all times.  So he will play one of them (mostly Rowsey) if they both have 2.

If a player fouls out, he has played the maximum minutes he could play.  If you sit out a guy for foul trouble and he does not end fouling out, by definition he could have played more.

[mug644]

Sorry, you're definitely right, should have worded it better.

I more meant that referees are not looking to make anything personal. If you give a bad referee a reason to make things personal (by watching your every move), it happens.

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Thanks for the further explanation. Makes sense.

This.  I can't stand the habit many coaches have of taking a kid out when they get their second foul for the remainder of the first half, especially when it is around the midway point.  Why sit a kid out for 9 or 10 minutes because he has two fouls?  Wojo will let some guys play with two fouls in the first half, and I like that.  He basically does it because he feels one of Rowsey or Howard needs to be on the floor at all times.  So he will play one of them (mostly Rowsey) if they both have 2.

If a player fouls out, he has played the maximum minutes he could play.  If you sit out a guy for foul trouble and he does not end fouling out, by definition he could have played more.

I get this, but the reality is that virtually every coach does it. Not being a coach myself, that hints that they know something that does make it a sensible choice. Might it be because if someone like Markus picks up a second foul with 10 min to go in the first half but stays in the game, the other team will totally target him? By leaving him in with some much time remaining, it invites the opposing coach to call plays that will focus the offense towards that player, risking more fouls.

[brewcity77]

The reason you sit the guy in foul trouble is for when you need him in a high leverage situation. If Markus fouls out in the first half, you'll never know if he could've been useful later either to give other players a breather or as an extra shooter in a close game late.

Yes, a basket in the first is worth the same as a buzzer beater, but having your best players available when the difference in the game is known and every point is magnified because of limited time remaining is crucial.

A basket in a tie game with 2:40 remaining in the first half could be the difference in the game, but there's time for both teams to overcome a miss or make. A basket in a tie game with 0:02.4 remaining in the game is magnified because there simply isn't enough time to overcome the difference.