Next Year Scholarship table

[MUBigDance]

I know all eyes are on Xavier tomorrow night. Generally, I don't think about "Next Year" too much. I want MU to win today.

But I was just looked at the Scholarship table for next year (Thanks whoever keeps this up).
There are 12 guys who will deserve floor time next year. How do you divide up 200 mpg?

• Heldt, a trusted senior who's put in the time. Currently 25.
• Sacar has really put in the time and hustle. Currently 26.
• Howard and S. Hauser, 30+ of course.
• A new Hauser who could be great. 20 or more?
• Old man Bailey and Morrow, new and at least 10+
• Our 3 good freshmen, Cain, John, Elliot now seasoned sophs: 20+ each?
• Don't forget Eke and Froling....10 and 20?

Running out of minutes!

None of these guys are Cam Marotta...all legit scholarships with potential...No definitive 7 man rotation like some schools. I know its the coaches job to figure this out. A meritocracy that awards "the will to prepare" and the best talent.  It won't be easy. Does something give?

I wonder if this Big East season will shake out a definite set of starters for next year?

[MU82]

Well, I start with this: If we're really a very good team, it means Matt is not playing more than 15 mpg.

I would think Morrow would get a lot more mpg than you project, probably more than Froling unless Froling really shows something.

Markus and Sam probably would get a little more rest in most games.

The rest would have to earn their minutes, though I admit to being really curious to see how Joey is used.

Having said all of this, I don't worry about any of it. Shyte happens every year. We'll see what the roster looks like next October. These things tend to work themselves out quite nicely.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I know all eyes are on Xavier tomorrow night. Generally, I don't think about "Next Year" too much. I want MU to win today.

But I was just looked at the Scholarship table for next year (Thanks whoever keeps this up).
There are 12 guys who will deserve floor time next year. How do you divide up 200 mpg?

• Heldt, a trusted senior who's put in the time. Currently 25.
• Sacar has really put in the time and hustle. Currently 26.
• Howard and S. Hauser, 30+ of course.
• A new Hauser who could be great. 20 or more?
• Old man Bailey and Morrow, new and at least 10+
• Our 3 good freshmen, Cain, John, Elliot now seasoned sophs: 20+ each?
• Don't forget Eke and Froling....10 and 20?

Running out of minutes!

None of these guys are Cam Marotta...all legit scholarships with potential...No definitive 7 man rotation like some schools. I know its the coaches job to figure this out. A meritocracy that awards "the will to prepare" and the best talent.  It won't be easy. Does something give?

I wonder if this Big East season will shake out a definite set of starters for next year?

Heldt's minutes will drop to 10-15 per game in my opinion.  I think Sacar's will drop as well through no fault of his own. 

I'd be very surprised if Morrow doesn't play 25-30 minutes. 

Plus, I expect Wojo to go after a grad transfer PG as well.

It'll be extremely interesting but it's a good problem to have. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I think we'll add a PG, whether that be a freshman or grad transfer, which will further muddy the waters.  But this is how I'd project it today:

PG: Markus 30, Elliott 10
SG: Sacar 25, Sam 5, Elliot 5, Cain/Bailey 5
SF: Sam 25, Joey 10, Cain/Bailey 5
PF: Morrow 25, Joey 10, Froling 5
C: Froling 15, Theo 15, Heldt 5, Morrow 5

Totals:
Markus 30
Sam 30
Morrow 30
Sacar 25
Joey 20
Froling 20
Theo 15
Elliott 15
Heldt 5
Cain 5
Bailey 5
Eke - Garbage time only

Main takeaway:

Its going to be really tough for underclassman to get minutes if this team is healthy and everyone returns.  Things get quite a bit more muddled if we add a grad transfer PG, which IMO is the only thing separating this team from being a top 10 worthy preseason selection.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think we'll add a PG, whether that be a freshman or grad transfer, which will further muddy the waters.  But this is how I'd project it today:

PG: Markus 30, Elliott 10
SG: Sacar 25, Sam 5, Elliot 5, Cain/Bailey 5
SF: Sam 25, Joey 10, Cain/Bailey 5
PF: Morrow 25, Joey 10, Froling 5
C: Froling 15, Theo 15, Heldt 5, Morrow 5

Totals:
Markus 30
Sam 30
Morrow 30
Sacar 25
Joey 20
Froling 20
Theo 15
Elliott 15
Heldt 5
Cain 5
Bailey 5
Eke - Garbage time only

Main takeaway:

Its going to be really tough for underclassman to get minutes if this team is healthy and everyone returns.  Things get quite a bit more muddled if we add a grad transfer PG, which IMO is the only thing separating this team from being a top 10 worthy preseason selection.

I think Cain is a shoe-in for more than 5 MPG if he puts on muscle and continues to develop. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I think Cain is a shoe-in for more than 5 MPG if he puts on muscle and continues to develop.

I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.

[MU82]

I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.

Yes, Sacar.

And I would be thrilled if Matt is only playing 5 mpg, because it means we've made huge progress.

My guess is he'd get 10-15 mpg from Wojo purely from the "he's a guy I can trust" perspective, but I'd love to be wrong on that.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I would agree, but tough to pinpoint who he'd take minutes from. Maybe Sacar.

I would guess Sacar and/or Greg, if he is deserving. 

[Big Daddy 84]

If  MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)

then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.

Not looking to add just anybody...

If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.

Going after very highly rated players for 19-20.   Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines

After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.

JH is recovering nicely from his foot.   Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.


Practices are very competitive and energetic.  Especially the Detroit duo,  you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press.  Wojo has the horses now to do that.  Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff.   This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on.  I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.

Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work.   Happy New Year all!!!

[wadesworld]

If  MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)

then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.

Not looking to add just anybody...

If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.

Going after very highly rated players for 19-20.   Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines

After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.

JH is recovering nicely from his foot.   Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.


Practices are very competitive and energetic.  Especially the Detroit duo,  you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press.  Wojo has the horses now to do that.  Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff.   This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on.  I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.

Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work.   Happy New Year all!!!

I'd be down for a couple of Jalen's from the Midwest joining the squad from that recruiting class, hey?

[fjm]

If  MU is not able to grab one of the following:
1) a top tier PG that is available as a grad transfer
2) a top tier PG signed recruit that is available after decommiting in spring (after some coach leaves a school or is fired)

then a traditional transfer and sitting out one year is very likely.

Not looking to add just anybody...

If I was a high level grad transfer PG and I see what the twin tikes are doing this year and see the roster for next year...why would I not want part of that.

Going after very highly rated players for 19-20.   Wisconsin (Bucky) should not assume that any in-state high level recruit is a solid lean to them anymore....read between the lines

After QG is out of college remind me and I will tell the whole story.

JH is recovering nicely from his foot.   Expect full recovery and will be able to attend summer school and work out then with staff.


Practices are very competitive and energetic.  Especially the Detroit duo,  you can tell they have played together and they are having fun and enjoying their role. Look for some more steals from them as they continue to trap as part of the press.  Wojo has the horses now to do that.  Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff.   This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on.  I will be shock if they do not make the tourney.

Also Lil' Mamma got me a new broom for Christmas so I am back to work.   Happy New Year all!!!

HOT DOG! BIG D has returned. Good info my man, appreciate it.

I especially like the fact that it sounds like Wojo is looking into pressing this year. Good stuff!

[Dr. Blackheart]

HOT DOG! BIG D has returned. Good info my man, appreciate it.

I especially like the fact that it sounds like Wojo is looking into pressing this year. Good stuff!

Wojo has used a trapping press the last couple of games. Cain's wingspan is a disruptor.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

BD, what's the story with Ike's back?

[MU82]

Practices are very competitive and energetic. Wojo has the horses now to do that.  Another great job of creating great chemistry by staff.  This team is and will continue to get better as the year goes on.

Hard to believe any of this is true, given Wojo's infamous de-motivation tactics.

[DUNKS45]

I'm glad I checked scoop today, thanks Big Daddy!

[#UnleashSean]

I don't see Heldt getting 15+ at the end of this season.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Hoping QG is a one-and-done so we can get the scoop on that sooner than later. 

[🏀]

I'd be down for a couple of Jalen's from the Midwest joining the squad from that recruiting class, hey?

Assuming '19 maybe Nobal, then '20 Jalen.

[GoldenZebra]

Cant wait for Morrow, hes gonna take up a lot of post minutes.

[MUMountin]

I don't see Heldt getting 15+ at the end of this season.

I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year.  And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.

That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities.  Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play.  Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that.  They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue.  And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer?  Might be the best for everyone)

Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo. 

It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam.  I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of.  I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze.  I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program. 

[GGGG]

Cant wait for Morrow, hes gonna take up a lot of post minutes.

I don't think he will take up many post minutes.  I think you are going to see a lot of him at the forward position.

[Herman Cain]

I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year.  And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.

That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities. Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play.  Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that.  They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue.  And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer?  Might be the best for everyone)

Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo. 

It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam.  I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of.  I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze.  I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program.

The coaches appreciate what Matt is bringing to the table and it is going to take a lot to knock him out of his minutes this year.

[MU82]

I understand the overall belief that Heldt is one of the least naturally talented big men we have this year and definitely next year.  And based on pure talent alone, he's the least deserving for minutes.

That said, I think a lot of posters underestimate what a guy like him means to Wojo--an intelligent, hard working, no ego, hustle player who will do what the coaches ask him to the best of his abilities.  Wojo clearly trusts him, and I don't see him going away for that quickly or unless someone truly forces his hand--especially as we get into conference play.  Neither Froling or John have shown the grasp of the game yet to do that.  They will take some minutes, and I think he'll drop from the 25 mpg he is currently averaging, but I can't see it dropping much below 20 MPG except in situations where fouls become an issue.  And, next year, I have to imagine it will be much the same (around 20 MPG), unless he decides to transfer somewhere. (Could he graduate early and grad transfer?  Might be the best for everyone)

Minutes at the 4/5 are going to be in high demand next year, and there isn't really a natural reason to expect most of those guys to leave the program (senior, already transferred x2, brother plays here, coming off red shirt year)...and then there is Theo. 

It goes back to a point I made a few weeks ago wondering (hoping?) if TJ might actually red shirt next year to help clear the logjam.  I don't think he needs it, and wouldn't normally advocate for it. But I'm afraid that he is the one big who doesn't have a natural reason to stick with the program next year, and so might realize that he needs to head somewhere else if he wants to play the minutes he is capable of.  I'd much rather he stick around, work on developing his outside game (which could make him a legit NBA SF prospect if he could shoot and handle), then possibly lose him in the numbers squeeze.  I don't think it is likely, but it is the only scenario I can see where we don't inexplicably lose one of these guys, who are all worth keeping around the program.

I tend to agree that Wojo might feel some kind of indebtedness (for lack of better word) to Heldt and give him minutes because of it. All I've said is that I hope we have other options that are so strong, it will force Wojo's hand to play Heldt less. I think one sign we are a better team will be if Heldt plays <15 mpg.

Totally disagree about redshirting Theo. If he is better than Heldt next season - and an argument can be made that he's been better than Heldt a few times this season already - he should play. If that means Heldt sees 2 minutes (or no minutes), that's life in the big city.

By this time next season, Theo could be a very valuable 10-20 minute guy.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I don't think he will take up many post minutes.  I think you are going to see a lot of him at the forward position.

A 4 can play the post and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see him at the 5 in some smaller lineups.  I think a lot of that might depend on how Froling develops. 

I tend to agree that Wojo might feel some kind of indebtedness (for lack of better word) to Heldt and give him minutes because of it. All I've said is that I hope we have other options that are so strong, it will force Wojo's hand to play Heldt less. I think one sign we are a better team will be if Heldt plays <15 mpg.

Totally disagree about redshirting Theo. If he is better than Heldt next season - and an argument can be made that he's been better than Heldt a few times this season already - he should play. If that means Heldt sees 2 minutes (or no minutes), that's life in the big city.

By this time next season, Theo could be a very valuable 10-20 minute guy.

Agree completely in terms of Theo and Heldt for next season. 

[GGGG]

Matt isn't playing minutes because Wojo feels indebted to him.  He is playing minutes because he is the best option.