Students are not sloppy enough

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Tell you what: You give me the choice between MU being ranked in the top 10 schools in the country in terms of academics or basketball, I'm going to choose academics, and it's not even close. I would hope that everyone else on this board would do the same, but I highly doubt that's the case. Kind of pathetic, really.

After I graduate, my only connection with the university will be basketball. If I have children I doubt my kid will go to Marquette.

I would never brag to my friends that Marquette is a now a Top 20 university (it will never happen anyway). However, it will be awesome to brag about Marquette being the tits at basketball.

So, yes I'd rather have a Top 10 basketball team than a Top 20 university.

That's a mind-boggling lack of perspective on what's actually important. But at least you're willing to admit you don't "get it."

No, I get it. I'm sorry I don't get what you care about.

I'm basically looking at what I care about more. I'll apologize for not believing in ridiculous school rankings. If I did, I would have gone to four other universities that were better than Marquette in academics and better sports programs.

Instead, I came to a school that was ranked in the 90s instead of a Top 50. Those Top 50 schools have more endowment, research, land, and better campuses. Are they necessarily better educations?

I'll let you answer that question for yourself, and then wonder why school rankings matter.

[Tribby]

Tell you what: You give me the choice between MU being ranked in the top 10 schools in the country in terms of academics or basketball, I'm going to choose academics, and it's not even close. I would hope that everyone else on this board would do the same, but I highly doubt that's the case. Kind of pathetic, really.

After I graduate, my only connection with the university will be basketball. If I have children I doubt my kid will go to Marquette.

I would never brag to my friends that Marquette is a now a Top 20 university (it will never happen anyway). However, it will be awesome to brag about Marquette being the tits at basketball.

So, yes I'd rather have a Top 10 basketball team than a Top 20 university.

That's a mind-boggling lack of perspective on what's actually important. But at least you're willing to admit you don't "get it."

No, I get it. I'm sorry I don't get what you care about.

I'm basically looking at what I care about more. I'll apologize for not believing in ridiculous school rankings. If I did, I would have gone to four other universities that were better than Marquette in academics and better sports programs.

Instead, I came to a schools that was ranked in the 90s instead of a Top 50. Those Top 50 schools have more endowment, research, land, and better campuses. Are they necessarily better educations?

I'll let you answer that question for yourself, and then wonder why school rankings matter.

I agree, academics rankings are no more relevant than the AP basketball poll. At the end of the day, it's about what you learned/who you beat.

My point isn't the rankings, it's about the quality of school. Would you rather Marquette students excell in the classroom or on the court? Ideally they would do both, but man, if you think basketball is more important than academics, your priorities are way out of wack.

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Tell you what: You give me the choice between MU being ranked in the top 10 schools in the country in terms of academics or basketball, I'm going to choose academics, and it's not even close. I would hope that everyone else on this board would do the same, but I highly doubt that's the case. Kind of pathetic, really.

After I graduate, my only connection with the university will be basketball. If I have children I doubt my kid will go to Marquette.

I would never brag to my friends that Marquette is a now a Top 20 university (it will never happen anyway). However, it will be awesome to brag about Marquette being the tits at basketball.

So, yes I'd rather have a Top 10 basketball team than a Top 20 university.

That's a mind-boggling lack of perspective on what's actually important. But at least you're willing to admit you don't "get it."

No, I get it. I'm sorry I don't get what you care about.

I'm basically looking at what I care about more. I'll apologize for not believing in ridiculous school rankings. If I did, I would have gone to four other universities that were better than Marquette in academics and better sports programs.

Instead, I came to a schools that was ranked in the 90s instead of a Top 50. Those Top 50 schools have more endowment, research, land, and better campuses. Are they necessarily better educations?

I'll let you answer that question for yourself, and then wonder why school rankings matter.

Ideally they would do both, but man, if you think basketball is more important than academics, your priorities are way out of wack.

I never said that. I said I could careless where Marquette is ranked academically because they mean nothing. However, the basketball polls do mean something.

I do have a question for you, it's a personal opinon. What has raised Marquette admission standards over the last 4-5 years? MU Basketball or Academics?

[That Guy]

I can honestly say I got more excited for an MU win than for an A on a test.

Basketball all the way.

Everytime I tell someone I go to Marquette 9 times out of 10 the response is "oh didnt Dwyane Wade go there?"

My point exactly.

[jaybilaswho?]

Tell you what: You give me the choice between MU being ranked in the top 10 schools in the country in terms of academics or basketball, I'm going to choose academics, and it's not even close. I would hope that everyone else on this board would do the same, but I highly doubt that's the case. Kind of pathetic, really.

After I graduate, my only connection with the university will be basketball. If I have children I doubt my kid will go to Marquette.

I would never brag to my friends that Marquette is a now a Top 20 university (it will never happen anyway). However, it will be awesome to brag about Marquette being the tits at basketball.

So, yes I'd rather have a Top 10 basketball team than a Top 20 university.

That's a mind-boggling lack of perspective on what's actually important. But at least you're willing to admit you don't "get it."

No, I get it. I'm sorry I don't get what you care about.

I'm basically looking at what I care about more. I'll apologize for not believing in ridiculous school rankings. If I did, I would have gone to four other universities that were better than Marquette in academics and better sports programs.

Instead, I came to a schools that was ranked in the 90s instead of a Top 50. Those Top 50 schools have more endowment, research, land, and better campuses. Are they necessarily better educations?

I'll let you answer that question for yourself, and then wonder why school rankings matter.

Ideally they would do both, but man, if you think basketball is more important than academics, your priorities are way out of wack.

I do have a question for you, it's a personal opinon. What has raised Marquette admission standards over the last 4-5 years? MU Basketball or Academics?

I wouldnt say that MU Basketball, because the program really didnt do anything. i would say that one man changed MU's application and enrollmant. None other than NBA Finals MVP Dwayne Wade.  he should also get all the credit for our final four run; not crean.

[Tribby]

Tell you what: You give me the choice between MU being ranked in the top 10 schools in the country in terms of academics or basketball, I'm going to choose academics, and it's not even close. I would hope that everyone else on this board would do the same, but I highly doubt that's the case. Kind of pathetic, really.

After I graduate, my only connection with the university will be basketball. If I have children I doubt my kid will go to Marquette.

I would never brag to my friends that Marquette is a now a Top 20 university (it will never happen anyway). However, it will be awesome to brag about Marquette being the tits at basketball.

So, yes I'd rather have a Top 10 basketball team than a Top 20 university.

That's a mind-boggling lack of perspective on what's actually important. But at least you're willing to admit you don't "get it."

No, I get it. I'm sorry I don't get what you care about.

I'm basically looking at what I care about more. I'll apologize for not believing in ridiculous school rankings. If I did, I would have gone to four other universities that were better than Marquette in academics and better sports programs.

Instead, I came to a schools that was ranked in the 90s instead of a Top 50. Those Top 50 schools have more endowment, research, land, and better campuses. Are they necessarily better educations?

I'll let you answer that question for yourself, and then wonder why school rankings matter.

Ideally they would do both, but man, if you think basketball is more important than academics, your priorities are way out of wack.

I never said that. I said I could careless where Marquette is ranked academically because they mean nothing. However, the basketball polls do mean something.

I do have a question for you, it's a personal opinon. What has raised Marquette admission standards over the last 4-5 years? MU Basketball or Academics?

Good basketball raises admissions, which in turn raises academics, which in turn raises admissions. I never said basketball wasn't part of the equation; it is. All I'm saying is, let's not lose sight of what the primary goal of Marquette University is--it's academics, not basketball.

[RJax55]

I wouldnt say that MU Basketball, because the program really didnt do anything. i would say that one man changed MU's application and enrollmant. None other than NBA Finals MVP Dwayne Wade.  he should also get all the credit for our final four run; not crean.
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Ridiculous comment ... 

You're right, no credit should be given to the man who recruited, coached, and helped develop Wade. I believe Wade has often stated that Crean was no help to him and he became the great player he is today all on his own.

One thing that bothers me is when people say that the only reason we went to the Final Four was because of Wade. It was a team effort, led by Wade. Please go back and watch the Holy Cross game.

[jaybilaswho?]

right. wade was not a highly touted recruit for college. thank god that Crean was able to talk him into signing with MU. take wade out of the equation and MU never would have made it to the final four, the program would not be as respected as it is, and enrollment would not have gone up. Crean might have developed him, i will give you that, but as far as anything else he did nothing.

[RJax55]

right. wade was not a highly touted recruit for college. thank god that Crean was able to talk him into signing with MU. take wade out of the equation and MU never would have made it to the final four, the program would not be as respected as it is, and enrollment would not have gone up. Crean might have developed him, i will give you that, but as far as anything else he did nothing.

And take either Travis Diener, Robert Jackson, Scott Merritt, Karon Bradley, Steve Novak or Joe Chapman out of the equation and MU does not go to the Final Four. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT!!!!

[jaybilaswho?]

you are saying that we make the final four that year, without wade's, close to, 22 points per game? how about the fact that he scored 27% of our points that year (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/dwyane-wade)? diener, novak good players... not going to get you to the final four. your comfortable with Robert "Blackcula" Jackson and Scott Merritt on the floor if you were trying to get to the final four? that was joe chapmans freshmen year. He was not that valuable of a player his freshmen year, at least his contribution was not enough to push the team in the final four, same for Karon Bradley. why didnd you through in Chris Grimm??? he only had a few less points than bradley.
no love for townsend??

They were support players that were nothign more than a garnish to dwayne wade.

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Without Diener we lose to Holy Cross. Tournament over.

[jaybilaswho?]

Without Diener we lose to Holy Cross. Tournament over.

without diener we dont get passed the first round... hmmm wonder what that would feel like.

[mwbauer7]

Keeping in mind that people not associated with Marquette University may visit this site, can we please delete this post already?  It's an embarrassment...

[bartmiller#1]

Testing your theory that "smart" student bodies lead to lesser basketball crowds--

How do you account for Duke (one example that springs to mind), UCLA, and even Michigan having great student sections?  All of these schools are top-notch academic institutions that also happen to have excellent basketball programs.  

How about Stanford?  Their fans are pretty insane.  

I don't think your theory holds water.  Smarter student bodies can still provide great fans and student sections.  

And I know a lot of smart people (28+ on ACT, to use your imperfect measuring stick) who drink and party.  A lot.  I don't think that makes them cool, but again, I think it's pretty asinine to say "smart kids don't drink."  Maybe you don't know any of them, but I'm confident that there will be plenty of Dean's List kids knocking back beers tonight.

 

[RJax55]

you are saying that we make the final four that year, without wade's, close to, 22 points per game? how about the fact that he scored 27% of our points that year (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/dwyane-wade)? diener, novak good players... not going to get you to the final four. your comfortable with Robert "Blackcula" Jackson and Scott Merritt on the floor if you were trying to get to the final four? that was joe chapmans freshmen year. He was not that valuable of a player his freshmen year, at least his contribution was not enough to push the team in the final four, same for Karon Bradley. why didnd you through in Chris Grimm??? he only had a few less points than bradley.
no love for townsend??

They were support players that were nothign more than a garnish to dwayne wade.

Never stated that without Wade that the team still would have made the Final Four. I was pointing out that your statement of "he (Wade) should also get all the credit for our final four run" is wrong. Again, Wade led MU there, but others played an important and critical role in our success both during the season and in the tournament.

[bob]

At one point in this thread, Marqptm says he barely got into MU. At another point he says he would have gone to one of four schools with better academics if he was concerned at all about that sort of thing.

All of his posts in this thread are moronic.

[Tribby]

At one point in this thread, Marqptm says he barely got into MU. At another point he says he would have gone to one of four schools with better academics if he was concerned at all about that sort of thing.

All of his posts in this thread are moronic.

LOL! For the record, since it was the first thing I thought of, this is not me signing up with a different username, I swear. 

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At one point in this thread, Marqptm says he barely got into MU. At another point he says he would have gone to one of four schools with better academics if he was concerned at all about that sort of thing.

All of his posts in this thread are moronic.

I don't know if you really read, but I stated that I could barely get into Marquette if I were applying today. But go ahead, shows your reading comprehension skills.

[bartmiller#1]

Admissions, if I applied to Marquette today NO WAY I would get in, they are not letting in ACT 18 - 21s like myself anymore. Those are the guys that have fun. The kids getting into MU are too smart and too weenie. "Oh my god Johnny I cant possibly go to the basketball event today, I have a rather important History exam tomorrow morn"

Totally agree. I should graduate in the Spring, and I know for a fact I would not get into Marquette with my ACT, and high school GPA. I honestly don't know how a lot of kids got in anyway, I guess they really liked the essay portion.


Tribby, I'm sure that That Guy doesn't mean it in those ways, but it entirely makes sense.

I think Bob's point is that if your GPA and test scores of four years ago aren't good enough to get you into MU now, there's no way you would have been admitted to four schools in the top 50 four years ago. 

And he's right. 

You're exaggerating one way or the other.  I call BS. 

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Michigan State, Madison, Purdue, and Illinois.

Upon checking those facts I was wrong. MSU is only 71. Purdue is only 64. My apologies.

I think it's pretty obvious why I chose Marquette over some other schools I was accepted at.

Do you realize how much Marquette admissions has raised over the last couple years? Like That Guy said, 4-5 years ago 18-21 ACT scores were not uncommon. Today, you need 26+ to even get looked at. That is quite the increase over a little amount of time.

[bartmiller#1]

I do realize that the standards have improved considerably.  I think it's a good thing.  It will help the university in both the near and long term. 

I applied to schools over 10 years ago.  If I had an ACT of 18 at that time there's no way that Illinois or Madison would have sniffed my application, much less 4 years ago.

[jaybilaswho?]

I do realize that the standards have improved considerably.  I think it's a good thing.  It will help the university in both the near and long term. 

I applied to schools over 10 years ago.  If I had an ACT of 18 at that time there's no way that Illinois or Madison would have sniffed my application, much less 4 years ago.

well i am going to have to make a large donation or i am going to have to marry a smart one and hope my kids get her brains. damn 26? I graduated and May and my kind is already not wanted.

[muwarrior87]

that sucks

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I do realize that the standards have improved considerably.  I think it's a good thing.  It will help the university in both the near and long term. 

I applied to schools over 10 years ago.  If I had an ACT of 18 at that time there's no way that Illinois or Madison would have sniffed my application, much less 4 years ago.

Did I say I had an ACT of 18? No. But it wasn't long ago where 18s were accepted at Marquette.

[bartmiller#1]

I guess I'll take your word for it.  I didn't know anyone at MU who had an 18 on his or her ACT. 

There may have been a few FFP guys who were nearly that low, but even they cracked the 20s. 

Bottom line:  18 is a garbage score.  MU shouldn't accept students who can't do better than that.