Second worst loss by the Badgers on Kohl Hole History

[Tugg Speedman]

Regarding Happ versus MU's Frontline next year ... here is one data point to ponder

February 9, 2017. Wisconsin wins at Nebraska 70-69 in overtime
http://journalstar.com/box-score-wisconsin-nebraska-ot/pdf_70ed8ec1-23c9-518c-904e-25d65f4e28ad.html

Happ = 8 points, 14 rebounds, 3 turnovers, 36 minutes

Morrow = 5 points (1-5 FT), 13 rebounds, 5 turnovers, 26 minutes

[StillWarriors]

You're wrong. Pomeroy has him 10th among all players, but that's after today. He started the day 4th. Either is All American, only difference is first or second team.

He sure looked like an AA against an excellent Xavier team. Almost single handedly kept them in the game far longer than they should have been.

[Dr. Blackheart]

MU's 130.9 Offensive Efficiency highest in the Modern KPom Age versus the Badgers. Also, largest MU road win vs. Bucky since 1958. 

[DCHoopster]

He sure looked like an AA against an excellent Xavier team. Almost single handedly kept them in the game far longer than they should have been.

If you put Happ on MU this year or next year, they would be a Top 5 team.  He gets double teamed all the time, then passes to players that can not shoot the ball
consistantly.  Having the 3 amigos standing on the 3 point line and letting Happ work down low would be unstoppable.   It also looks like Happ is not having any fun
right now.  It is fun winning. 

[VegasWarrior77]

If you put Happ on MU this year or next year, they would be a Top 5 team.  He gets double teamed all the time, then passes to players that can not shoot the ball
consistantly.  Having the 3 amigos standing on the 3 point line and letting Happ work down low would be unstoppable.   It also looks like Happ is not having any fun
right now.  It is fun winning.

When Happ grad transfers to MU next year we will be a final four team!

[DCHoopster]

When Happ grad transfers to MU next year we will be a final four team!

Love to see it,   Happ, Morrow, Hauser, Hauser, Howard,  4 Horseman

[wadesworld]

Ugh ... again with treating an opinion like a fact.  You going to demand an apology for me not agreeing with your opinion?

Look, he's a good player, and most likely better than any of our front line players (we have not seen Froling, Morrow and Joey Hauser play yet, so until then it stays "most likely"). 

But Kenpom also has the 4-7 badgers as the 59th best team in the country.  He has MU as the 53rd and has team like Georgia (70), Vermont (72), VCU 87, LSU (88), 8-0 Georgetown (92) all ranked worse than Bucky.  Do you believe Bucky was the third best team we have played this year (behind Wichita State and Purdue)?  That's laughable... or is this opinion "wrong" too?

With Both King and Trice out, he's playing against double teams and tightly packed Zones this year, he getting abused by guys like Purdue's Haas and Michigan State's Bridges.  He was also held to 7 points against Ohio State (loss by 25) and 17 points and 6 turnovers by Matt Heldt.

In the end what we will learn in Ethan Happ is a very good player but all the All-American and NPOY talk was a product of him having Koenig, Showalter, Brown and Hayes on the floor with him last year. 

He's not at that level.

Unfortunately for you it's not an opinion. The FACT is that he is an All American college basketball player. There is no denying it, it literally happened.

But we should conclude that anybody who has a good supporting cast around him isn't an All American?

Sorry everyone on Kentucky, Duke, Villanova, Wichita State, etc, you can't be All American players because you haven't shown that you can produce without top talent next to you!

He was the best player on a team with good supporting players around him last year. He's been an even better player this year with nothing around him. He's proven he's a great college player whether he has a great or awful team around him. If he was simply a product of Showalter, Koenig, and Hayes then one of those 3 would've been their All American. They weren't. Happ was.

They don't award All American spots based on what players may or may not do at the next level.

[Tugg Speedman]

Unfortunately for you it's not an opinion. The FACT is that he is an All American college basketball player. There is no denying it, it literally happened.

But we should conclude that anybody who has a good supporting cast around him isn't an All American?

I never said he wasn't an AA LAST year.  I'm arguing he is not playing at that level THIS year.

I understand you think he is ... you have your opinion and I have my opinion.

And why do we continue with this fantasy that he is transferring to MU?

[wadesworld]

I never said he wasn't an AA LAST year.  I'm arguing he is not playing at that level THIS year.

I understand you think he is ... you have your opinion and I have my opinion.

And why do we continue with this fantasy that he is transferring to MU?

I literally said he will never transfer to MU...

[tower912]

Can he play guard?

[wadesworld]

Can he play guard?

No. But he can play top 5 post player in the country.

[Tugg Speedman]

No. But he can play top 5 post player in the country.

Actually, he cannot.

Might not even be top 5 in the Big 10, or the top three on Michigan State

Michigan State's Bridges, Jaren Jackson and Ward might all be better than Happ.

After that ...
Purdue's Hass, Edwards ... and maybe Haarms
Michigan's Wagner
Minnesota's Coffey

Happ might be honorable mention all Big 10 behind some or all the players above.

Again he is a very good player.  Top 5 post player is an insult to players like ...

DeAndre Ayton of Arizona
Wendell Carter of Duke
Mohamed Bomba of Texas
Michael Porter of Mizzou
Bonzie Colson of ND
Jock Landale of St. Marys

Happ is not even close to the above.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ugh ... again with treating an opinion like a fact.  You going to demand an apology for me not agreeing with your opinion?

1. Self awareness

2. Your original argument was that Happ was not an All-American. It is a black and white fact that he is.

3. Your amended argument says he was not playing like an All-American. Brew provided some statistics that speak to the contrary. In Brew's opinion, you are wrong. And he based that opinion on actual data.

[Tugg Speedman]

1. Self awareness

2. Your original argument was that Happ was not an All-American. It is a black and white fact that he is.

3. Your amended argument says he was not playing like an All-American. Brew provided some statistics that speak to the contrary. In Brew's opinion, you are wrong. And he based that opinion on actual data.

My original argument was not an all-American THIS YEAR.  Yes, I forgot the "THIS YEAR" part and the anal police that love to pick apart wording (wades) jumped all over it.

I corrected that here  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55037.msg969760#msg969760

[GGGG]

My original argument was not an all-American THIS YEAR.  Yes, I forgot the "THIS YEAR" part...

This is the most classic Heisey line ever

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My original argument was not an all-American THIS YEAR.  Yes, I forgot the "THIS YEAR" part and the anal police that love to pick apart wording (wades) jumped all over it.

I corrected that here  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55037.msg969760#msg969760

Did you read my post? I acknowledged what your originally said and then what you amended it to. Neither argument disqualifies Brew from giving his evidence backed opinion that you are wrong.

[wadesworld]

Actually, he cannot.

Might not even be top 5 in the Big 10, or the top three on Michigan State

Michigan State's Bridges, Jaren Jackson and Ward might all be better than Happ.

After that ...
Purdue's Hass, Edwards ... and maybe Haarms
Michigan's Wagner
Minnesota's Coffey

Happ might be honorable mention all Big 10 behind some or all the players above.

Again he is a very good player.  Top 5 post player is an insult to players like ...

DeAndre Ayton of Arizona
Wendell Carter of Duke
Mohamed Bomba of Texas
Michael Porter of Mizzou
Bonzie Colson of ND
Jock Landale of St. Marys

Happ is not even close to the above.

Lol. I'll put some money down on Happ being above Honorable Mention All B1G if you'd like to take HM or worse. Towards a charity of the winner's choice.

[🏀]

Take Happ, redshirt Heldt for a year.

[GooooMarquette]

You're wrong. Pomeroy has him 10th among all players, but that's after today. He started the day 4th. Either is All American, only difference is first or second team.

Is that how they pick AA teams these days?  I'd be inclined to say no....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Take Happ, redshirt Heldt for a year.

Not a bad idea actually.  Or red shirt John.

Not happening obviously. Just day dreaming on a Sunday afternoon

[GoldenDieners32]

Are there any good pictures of the players from the game? I couldn't find any

[Tugg Speedman]

Lol. I'll put some money down on Happ being above Honorable Mention All B1G if you'd like to take HM or worse. Towards a charity of the winner's choice.

How about we bet that Happ is a first or second team AA?  You think he is a top five post player.  You think he is so good that a guy on a 20 loss team is going to be named an AA again this year.

Loser has the mods ban their account.

[buckchuckler]

How about we bet that Happ is a first or second team AA?  You think he is a top five post player.  You think he is so good that a guy on a 20 loss team is going to be named an AA again this year.

Loser has the mods ban their account.

[wadesworld]

How about we bet that Happ is a first or second team AA?  You think he is a top five post player.  You think he is so good that a guy on a 20 loss team is going to be named an AA again this year.

Loser has the mods ban their account.

I said he's an All American. Because, well, he is an All American. It's not even something that can be argued. You said he won't make a list higher than Honorable Mention B1G. That can be argued. So let's put some money on it.

[tower912]

I have to say, the scout board is doing a better job than usual of enjoying the badger misery.