Second worst loss by the Badgers on Kohl Hole History

[Tugg Speedman]

#3 worst - Loss to National Champion Michigan State 61-44 (17 points) in 2000
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/badgers-men-s-basketball-wisconsin-lifeless-in-lopsided-loss-to/article_b467abc1-7535-5196-af6a-d2b5bfb5575a.html

#2 worst loss was today MU 82 -  Bucky 63 (19 points)

#1 worst loss in Kohl Hole history was seven days ago (Dec 2) when tOSU beat Bucky by 25 (83-58)

So Bucky's two worst Kohl Hole losses have some in the last 7 days, their last two home games.

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Bucky is done, they are going to lose 20+ games this year

Kobe King will transfer

Happ is a redshirt junior and will grad transfer

[Tugg Speedman]

I've seen what is happening to Bucky before ...

Hall of fame coach Al McGuire (and Hank) = Hall of fame coach Bo Ryan

Joe Wolf goes elsewhere, program declines = Diamond Stone goes elsewhere (and maybe Henry Ellenson, Tyler Herro and Joey Hauser too), program declines

It took MU nine years to go from Al to Dukiet.  Bucky is far more efficient, one coaching change and three years.


What's next?  Many years in the wilderness for Bucky Basketball.  Then they hire their version of Kevin O'Neill ... Bruce Pearl, to turn things around.  And provided he can keep his roster out of prison, they will be able to do be it around by 2025.

[tower912]

Twice in one week I am simpatico with jiggy.  Revel in their misery.  Print out their whiny assed tweets and roll around in them like a bed of $100 bills. 

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm worried about the hit our SoS is going to take because they are such a crap ass team.  We have to consider these damage playing these schools inflict.

Hope the penalty of playing Bucky does Not cost us a bid in March.

I'm rolling in it Tower ... and it feels good!!!!

[1SE]

#3 worst - Loss to National Champion Michigan State 61-44 (17 points) in 2000
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/badgers-men-s-basketball-wisconsin-lifeless-in-lopsided-loss-to/article_b467abc1-7535-5196-af6a-d2b5bfb5575a.html

#2 worst loss was today MU 82 -  Bucky 63 (19 points)

#1 worst loss in Kohl Hole history was seven days ago (Dec 2) when tOSU beat Bucky by 25 (83-58)

So Bucky's two worst Kohl Hole losses have some in the last 7 days, their last two home games.

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Bucky is done, they are going to lose 20+ games this year

Kobe King will transfer

Happ is a redshirt junior and will grad transfer

75 miles East?

[Tugg Speedman]

75 miles East?

And play behind Froling, John, Morrow and Heldt?

[tower912]

Marquette is stacked up front next year.  Meh.

[1SE]

And play behind Froling, John, Morrow and Heldt?

Can always use depth. Maybe offer a walk-on place.

[wadesworld]

People really think if Happ wanted to come to MU we'd say thanks but no thanks because we have a Froling, Heldt, John, and Eke at the 5? Lol.

The day MU passes up proven All Americans...well, that day will never come.

Of course he's not going to transfer to MU.

[1SE]

People really think if Happ wanted to come to MU we'd say thanks but no thanks because we have a Froling, Heldt, John, and Eke at the 5? Lol.

The day MU passes up proven All Americans...well, that day will never come.

Of course he's not going to transfer to MU.

I thought it was so over the top I didn't need teal....

[wadesworld]

I thought it was so over the top I didn't need teal....

Yeah I understood your post. Heise thinks we don't have room for a player like Happ next season.

[Tugg Speedman]

Yeah I understood your post. Heise thinks we don't have room for a player like Happ next season.

If course you take him if he's interested, I was trying to say our front court will not be hurting next year.


And he's not an all-American.  He played with Koenig, Hayes, SHowalter, etc and that is why he looked good.

[wadesworld]

If course you take him if he's interested, I was trying to say our front court will not be hurting next year.


And he's not an all-American.  He played with Koenig, Hayes, SHowalter, etc and that is why he looked good.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_america.html

I don't know. When someone makes the All American list I typically call them an All American. And he's having a better season this year, without those guys, than he did last year when he was an All American, and already the best player on the team.

[GGGG]

Not recruiting Sam Hauser is probably the worst decision Wisconsin basketball has made in the last 15 years.

[GB Warrior]

Not recruiting Sam Hauser is probably the worst decision Wisconsin basketball has made in the last 15 years.

Probably not the worst decision Bo made, but I'll allow it

[wadesworld]

Glad he was too busy BOning someone half his age on my taxpayer dollars to take note of Hauser.

[Dawson Rental]

And play behind Froling, John, Morrow and Heldt?

He's better than all of them, and MU would still have the option of teaming him with either Morrow or Froling at the four.

[GGGG]

I don't really think he fits what Wojo wants out of a post player.

[Dawson Rental]

I don't really think he fits what Wojo wants out of a post player.

I'm guessing that Wojo isn't realy feeling it for John or Heldt this year, either.  Now, next year for Theo might be a different story, but I'm thinking that what we've seen so far is what we'll be getting from Matt.  A quality backup being counted on beyond his abilities due to a lack of other options.

[Newsdreams]

Prob take lots of crap, but I think Happ is over rated. He is good, but not a by himself game changer.

[Tugg Speedman]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_america.html

I don't know. When someone makes the All American list I typically call them an All American. And he's having a better season this year, without those guys, than he did last year when he was an All American, and already the best player on the team.

I meant he's not playing at an all-American level this year.

He's on a freaking 4 - 7 team that has it's entire starting backcourt injured.  If he is not the best player on this team, the semester is up next week, please immediately transfer to UW-Stout.

[Daniel]

And play behind Froling, John, Morrow and Heldt?

And Eke

[brewcity77]

I meant he's not playing at an all-American level this year.

You're wrong. Pomeroy has him 10th among all players, but that's after today. He started the day 4th. Either is All American, only difference is first or second team.

[Tugg Speedman]

You're wrong. Pomeroy has him 10th among all players, but that's after today. He started the day 4th. Either is All American, only difference is first or second team.

Ugh ... again with treating an opinion like a fact.  You going to demand an apology for me not agreeing with your opinion?

Look, he's a good player, and most likely better than any of our front line players (we have not seen Froling, Morrow and Joey Hauser play yet, so until then it stays "most likely"). 

But Kenpom also has the 4-7 badgers as the 59th best team in the country.  He has MU as the 53rd and has team like Georgia (70), Vermont (72), VCU 87, LSU (88), 8-0 Georgetown (92) all ranked worse than Bucky.  Do you believe Bucky was the third best team we have played this year (behind Wichita State and Purdue)?  That's laughable... or is this opinion "wrong" too?

With Both King and Trice out, he's playing against double teams and tightly packed Zones this year, he getting abused by guys like Purdue's Haas and Michigan State's Bridges.  He was also held to 7 points against Ohio State (loss by 25) and 17 points and 6 turnovers by Matt Heldt.

In the end what we will learn in Ethan Happ is a very good player but all the All-American and NPOY talk was a product of him having Koenig, Showalter, Brown and Hayes on the floor with him last year. 

He's not at that level.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Ugh ... again with treating an opinion like a fact.  You going to demand an apology for me not agreeing with your opinion?

Look, he's a good player, and most likely better than any of our front line players (we have not seen Froling, Morrow and Joey Hauser play yet, so until then it stays "most likely"). 

But Kenpom also has the 4-7 badgers as the 59th best team in the country.  He has MU as the 53rd and has team like Georgia (70), Vermont (72), VCU 87, LSU (88), 8-0 Georgetown (92) all ranked worse than Bucky.  Do you believe Bucky was the third best team we have played this year (behind Wichita State and Purdue)?  That's laughable... or is this opinion "wrong" too?

With Both King and Trice out, he's playing against double teams and tightly packed Zones this year, he getting abused by guys like Purdue's Haas and Michigan State's Bridges.  He was also held to 7 points against Ohio State (loss by 25) and 17 points and 6 turnovers by Matt Heldt.

In the end what we will learn in Ethan Happ is a very good player but all the All-American and NPOY talk was a product of him having Koenig, Showalter, Brown and Hayes on the floor with him last year. 

He's not at that level.

Agree 100%.  Happ is a good player but certainly not good enough to play with the Big dogs at the next level.  His game is too incomplete.  No outside shot and does not slash.