Haanif Gone

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Ever since Odartey Blanskon transferred a month after being named a captain, I stopped worrying about transfers.  They're going to happen for a million different reasons.  I don't let it bother me.

Now Wojo has to go out and find a high impact guard.  Use this opportunity to hopefully upgrade our roster.

[goldeneagle91114]

Ever since Odartey Blanskon transferred a month after being named a captain, I stopped worrying about transfers.  They're going to happen for a million different reasons.  I don't let it bother me.

Now Wojo has to go out and find a high impact guard.  Use this opportunity to hopefully upgrade our roster.

I get that transfers happen, but for MU it has meant that our team has been "young" since wojo came in. That's not normal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What waiver would they qualify for?  I love scoopers who claim to know things they know nothing about.

The same one Sandy Cohen did. He had a year of eligibility restored after midseason transferring last season. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2017/10/06/uw-green-bays-sandy-cohen-iii-granted-ncaa-waiver-play-season/739689001/

I love scoopers who claim to know things they know nothing about.

EDIT: I see Sultan beat me to it.

[The Lens]

I would think many of us have found a rough patch in life and when wanting to quit we sought out reasons to justify quitting (family, lack of time, etc). 

Wojo seems to be taking the high road, which is great. 

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I get that transfers happen, but for MU it has meant that our team has been "young" since wojo came in. That's not normal.

Go to the Badger boards where they are complaining about their unproductive juniors, wishing they transferred, and even wishing Gard "nudged" them out the door.

[mug644]

I get that transfers happen, but for MU it has meant that our team has been "young" since wojo came in. That's not normal.

That's the only thing that I don't like about the way the chips fall with so much transferring. I do believe that we are upgrading our talent, and the impact that has on playing time for some guys is the real driving force behind their choice to transfer. Overall, that's a good thing. But, it does leave us consistently with a young team. A team with more potential perhaps, but a young one. I'm hoping we will finally have a year when we have the talent we want along with the experience that really helps that talent to shine.

As an aside, I can't help but see mid-season transfers as involving a degree of quitting on the team. There's just something different between that and transferring at the end of the year. Still, I'm not going to begrudge players looking for different or better opportunities, and so I'll not get worked up about it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I get that transfers happen, but for MU it has meant that our team has been "young" since wojo came in. That's not normal.

We were actually quite old last season.

1 5th year player
4 4th year players
1 3rd year player (who transferred midseason)
4 2nd year players) (1 of whom transferred midseason and 1 of whom redshirtted)
2 1st year players

[Pakuni]

We were actually quite old last season.

1 5th year player
4 4th year players
1 3rd year player (who transferred midseason)
4 2nd year players) (1 of whom transferred midseason and 1 of whom redshirtted)
2 1st year players

By age/class perhaps, but in terms of actual games played, MU was one of the least experienced teams in the nation last year.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Go to the Badger boards where they are complaining about their unproductive juniors, wishing they transferred, and even wishing Gard "nudged" them out the door.

After hearing it mentioned in their game vs. Virginia last night that there are 13 redshirt players between WI & VA, I checked the Badgers website and saw they have 7 players that are redshirting or already have. We could be older like them but is that what we really want?

[1SE]

Ever since Odartey Blanskon transferred a month after being named a captain, I stopped worrying about transfers.  They're going to happen for a million different reasons.  I don't let it bother me.

Now Wojo has to go out and find a high impact guard.  Use this opportunity to hopefully upgrade our roster.

Like D Wil?

[LAZER]

I get that transfers happen, but for MU it has meant that our team has been "young" since wojo came in. That's not normal.

Well there's going to be 5 JR's on the team next year.

[We R Final Four]

Like D Wil?

No—not a high impact guard.

[Dawson Rental]

I think Haanif despite being a great kid and member of this team is listening to someone talking nonsense.... he hasn't liked his role for a while and things he can make it to the next level.  As we all know, the grass isn't always greener.   Too bad

What are you and Bo doing for fun these days now that the free (recruiting) trip gravy train is over?

[1SE]

No—not a high impact guard.

Teal?

[GGGG]

Teal?

No.  Duane is a good role player but not really "high impact."  He has increased his EFG nicely.  This year his is playing PG, which has increased his assists, but also his TOs. 

He's not really high impact.  He's right now a slightly better shooting version of sophomore Duane. 

[1SE]

No.  Duane is a good role player but not really "high impact."  He has increased his EFG nicely.  This year his is playing PG, which has increased his assists, but also his TOs. 

He's not really high impact.  He's right now a slightly better shooting version of sophomore Duane.

And you wouldn't want that as our 6th man this season? The guy is doing 12 and 4 for a top-10 team - yes his decision making was always suspect, but it sure would be nice to have him splitting the 80 minutes with the midgets.

[GGGG]

And you wouldn't want that as our 6th man this season? The guy is doing 12 and 4 for a top-10 team - yes his decision making was always suspect, but it sure would be nice to have him splitting the 80 minutes with the midgets.

Yes I would.  And that's pretty much the exact role he would have played this year.  But Duane didn't want that.

And don't shift the goalposts.  He is not "high impact."

[jaygall31]

The only game where Sacar outplayed him, and where Elliott POSSIBLY outplayed him, was LSU. 

Other than that, Haanif was better in two out of three games - significantly better v. VCU.

100% accurate.

[1SE]

Yes I would.  And that's pretty much the exact role he would have played this year.  But Duane didn't want that.

And don't shift the goalposts.  He is not "high impact."

Depends what you mean by high impact. If his presence nets us +2 wins, and that's the difference in making the tourney, I'd call that high impact.

Doesn't seem like he's getting much more than that this year (doesn't really matter if he starts or comes off the bench, 20-25 min looks like what he'll get). Even before Haani's departure he would have been nice to hang on to.

[Markusquette]

Not necessarily directed at Stretch, but curiosity about "personal matters" used to be about empathy and/or a desire to help.   I'm not talking about 50 years ago... I'm talking less than a couple decades ago.  These days, it seems less about genuine concern and more about people feeling entitled to know what's going on in everyone's lives.

I'm sure with just about everyone's life story being out there on social media, "reality TV," etc., it's not helping the situation.  Schadenfreude has been taken to a new level if you ask me... instead of simply reveling in another's misery, it's almost as though people can't feel good about themselves unless they see something bad happening to someone else.

Again, not directed at Stretch... back in the day before internet, innocuous comments didn't usually trigger a rant.

Well said.

[bilsu]

Go to the Badger boards where they are complaining about their unproductive juniors, wishing they transferred, and even wishing Gard "nudged" them out the door.

I think Gard is panicking. He remove the redshirt from their big guy. In the end abandoning the UW way of redshirting bigmen will bite Gard in the butt. Playing Reuvers now will not save UW's season.

[CTWarrior]

The same one Sandy Cohen did. He had a year of eligibility restored after midseason transferring last season. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2017/10/06/uw-green-bays-sandy-cohen-iii-granted-ncaa-waiver-play-season/739689001/

I love scoopers who claim to know things they know nothing about.

EDIT: I see Sultan beat me to it.

Its nothing like a guarantee, though, is it?  Asking because I honestly don't know.  Dawson didn't get one with an even better case than Cohen.  Cohen was an end of the bench guy and Cheatham is a starter getting starter minutes.  Why would he qualify for a waiver?  If he gets a waiver and 1.5 years eligibility at his new school, at least the decision to leave MU makes sense.  If he doesn't get a waiver I do not see how it does anything but hurt Cheatham.

[dgies9156]

One of the things this board seems to forget is that transfers work both ways. Since Wojo has come here, we've had several well-known transfers out. Consider, however, that we've also had the following:

Matt Carlino -- Year 1
Katlin Reinhardt -- Year 3
Harry Froeling -- This Year
Ed Morrow -- Next Year

Keep in mind that all of these people have been starters for us. Carlino and Reinhardt were the inbound equivalent of Duane Wilson's outbound.

The morale: these things happen. I question whether college basketball players are any different than general students, who also transfer for loads of reasons that don't always make sense either.

Again, wish Haani well and let's move on.

[jsglow]

One of the things this board seems to forget is that transfers work both ways. Since Wojo has come here, we've had several well-known transfers out. Consider, however, that we've also had the following:

Matt Carlino -- Year 1
Katlin Reinhardt -- Year 3
Harry Froeling -- This Year
Ed Morrow -- Next Year

Keep in mind that all of these people have been starters for us. Carlino and Reinhardt were the inbound equivalent of Duane Wilson's outbound.

The morale: these things happen. I question whether college basketball players are any different than general students, who also transfer for loads of reasons that don't always make sense either.

Again, wish Haani well and let's move on.

+1

Here's the other thing.  Those 'inbound' transfers are committed for the long haul.  Wojo could get fired tomorrow and MU name Tower coach and Froeling and Morrow would be locked in.  Same applied to Luke for his 3 seasons.  Seems like most kids take advantage of that one 'off' year.  But very few get a second bite at the apple.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

One of the things this board seems to forget is that transfers work both ways. Since Wojo has come here, we've had several well-known transfers out. Consider, however, that we've also had the following:

Matt Carlino -- Year 1
Katlin Reinhardt -- Year 3
Harry Froeling -- This Year
Ed Morrow -- Next Year

Keep in mind that all of these people have been starters for us. Carlino and Reinhardt were the inbound equivalent of Duane Wilson's outbound.

The morale: these things happen. I question whether college basketball players are any different than general students, who also transfer for loads of reasons that don't always make sense either.

Again, wish Haani well and let's move on.

I think 'this board' gets it...but you can't have transfers work both ways and have a perceived issue of being perpetually young.  IMO roster construction is getting better but still an issue for Wojo.  Solving that + finding a workable defense is the difference between him being successful or not over the next 2 years.