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wadesworld

Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
I hate per-40 stats.

Agreed.  There's something to be said about being available to be on the court as much as the players around you.

brewcity77

Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
I hate per-40 stats.

Agreed, they are useless. A guy like Deon Franklin could play the last minute, score one basket on an offensive board, and suddenly he's an 80/40 guy per 40.

Minutes matter because very few players are able to replicate their efficiency numbers as minutes go up. And a player is only as valuable as what they actually do contribute, not what a hypothetical projection would say.

But most important, his real numbers ARE his per 40 numbers. The games were 40 minutes long and what he produced was what he produced, including his mpg total.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Windyplayer

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 08, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Agreed, they are useless. A guy like Deon Franklin could play the last minute, score one basket on an offensive board, and suddenly he's an 80/40 guy per 40.

Minutes matter because very few players are able to replicate their efficiency numbers as minutes go up. And a player is only as valuable as what they actually do contribute, not what a hypothetical projection would say.

But most important, his real numbers ARE his per 40 numbers. The games were 40 minutes long and what he produced was what he produced, including his mpg total.
Of course, they are not useless. They, like all other stats, are to be used together and weighted appropriately to arrive at a balanced assessment.

GB Warrior

All Stats Matta (except FTs)

MUCam

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 09, 2017, 12:39:12 PM
All Stats Matta (except number of minutes per practice devoted to FTs)

Fixed. I think. Or is it the other way around?

No Stats Matta except number of minutes per practice devoted to FTs.

I can't remember.

GGGG

Quote from: Windyplayer on May 09, 2017, 11:09:04 AM
Of course, they are not useless. They, like all other stats, are to be used together and weighted appropriately to arrive at a balanced assessment.


What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?

GB Warrior

Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on May 09, 2017, 01:48:04 PM

What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?

How good a player would be playing in a communist society in which everyone received equal rather than equitable playing time.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 09, 2017, 01:50:23 PM
How good a player would be playing in a communist society in which everyone received equal rather than equitable playing time.

Nicely done.

muguru

Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on May 09, 2017, 01:48:04 PM

What does a per 40 stat tell you that other stats do not?
If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's  valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?
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I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

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Quote from: Lazar's Headband on May 08, 2017, 07:27:32 AM
I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa and the pope.

I'd like to thank my parents, Mother Teresa, and the pope.

My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

MU82

Quote from: 4everCrean on May 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.

I used to enjoy Father Guido Sarducci's "Find the Pope in the Pizza" contest!
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Quote from: muguru on May 09, 2017, 02:11:46 PM
If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's  valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?

No, it doesn't apply. Possessions are not measured in time.
The portal is NOT closed.

Nukem2

Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
I used to enjoy Father Guido Sarducci's "Find the Pope in the Pizza" contest!
Finda da Pope in da pizza was a fun segment.

MU82

Quote from: Nukem2 on May 09, 2017, 03:30:46 PM
Finda da Pope in da pizza was a fun segment.

Thank you for correcting my poor spelling!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Per 100 possessions is really just moving the decimal point over two places to make the numbers more readable for the average person.

1.278 points per possession = 127.8 points per 100 possession

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

#266
Quote from: 4everCrean on May 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.

AP Style says I am right. As a proper title, it should be capitalized. For example, Pope John II. But in my example, lowercase is recommended.

GB Warrior

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on May 09, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
AP Style says I am right. As a proper title, it should be capitalized. For example, Pope John II. But in my example, lowercase is recommended.

The fake AP news also won't focus on the illegal release of confidential information instead of our WH's ties to Russia. Checkmate.

bilsu

Quote from: muguru on May 09, 2017, 02:11:46 PM
If the argument is it's a useless stat because no one plays 40 mins in a single game..that's  valid..however I see per 100 posessions cited often by posters here..and doesnt the same thing apply? When is there ever 100 possessions in a game?
3 or 4 years ago a Providence player averaged more than 40 minutes a game due to overtimes.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: bilsu on May 09, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
3 or 4 years ago a Providence player averaged more than 40 minutes a game due to overtimes.

Not quite over 40. Bryce Cotton averaged 39.9 mpg in 2012-2013. I think that was the year of the bat.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Lighthouse 84

Quote from: 4everCrean on May 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
My Pope is spelled with a capitol "P", Mr. Comma Correct.
At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.

I feel you're nuts.

I feel your nuts.

Nuff said.
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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 09, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.

I feel you're nuts.

I feel your nuts.

Nuff said.

dis not example of punctuation, ainner?
The portal is NOT closed.

buckchuckler

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 09, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.

I feel you're nuts.

I feel your nuts.

Nuff said.

Lol.

Earl Tatum


real chili 83

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on May 09, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
At least we can finally agree punctuation matters.

I feel you're nuts.

I feel your nuts.

Nuff said.

Somehow, there is a Mother Theresa joke in there.  Ewwwww.

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