2017-2018 OOC Schedule

[DienerTime34]

I've been told repeatedly they don't want to give up a home game if they aren't getting a high-major in return. Which I get, but I think this would lead to a stronger schedule, a more balanced and entertaining home schedule, better positioning for March, and all that without sacrificing home games. If they want more punch in the home games, they could either go with 3 MM 2-for-1 series or reduce the number of true buy games to 1 while adding another HM home-and-home, alternating with the one already slated in there.

Couldn't they go back to having 2 exhibition games, forcing the Season Ticket Holders to buy it, and be good from an economic standpoint? Couldn't that replace a Buy Game, or do the 14 walk-up tickets bought on a Tuesday night in November too much to pass up?

[brewcity77]

Eastern Illinois on Monday, November 27 added. Ohio Valley team that has been in the 200-300 range every year under Jay Spoonhour. Will likely start 4 seniors. They lost their best player to graduation, and two other bench players transferred, but this could be a top-200 game.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

EIU is a very solid buy game.

[brewcity77]

Chicago State confirmed for Nov 29. Georgia should be next, then presumably tomorrow will start with a buy game before Wisconsin.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So far we got:

11/4: vs. Lindenwood (exhibition)
11/10: vs. Mount St. Marys
11/14: vs. Purdue
11/20 - 11/22: THREE MAUI GAMES
11/27: Eastern Illinois
11/29: Chicago State

Still have Georgia, Wisconsin and American on TBD dates.  And then 2 or three more buy games, presumably.   

[brewcity77]

Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.

Nevermind.  Looking like they're going to have a 12 game non-con again.  Still don't get why you wouldn't play all the games you're allotted.

4 to announce - 2 of which are Wisconsin and American. 

[Nukem2]

Georgia on 12/2. Three games tomorrow, 4 total remaining. First game tomorrow likely a buy game on 12/5 (they said 4-game home stand), followed by 12/9 Wisconsin. Then Froling eligible to debut 12/16 and one likely buy to wrap up the schedule around 12/20.

Froling is not eligible to play 12/16 as that is the last day of exams and the last day of the semester.  Luke Fischer was not able to play in a similar situation.  Grades need to be released.

[barfolomew]

Nevermind.  Looking like they're going to have a 12 game non-con again.  Still don't get why you wouldn't play all the games you're allotted.

4 to announce - 2 of which are Wisconsin and American.

It's possible they could still do one during their conference bye week, right?  Probably hard to find many dance partners in Jan/Feb, though.

[cheebs09]

3 being announced tomorrow and 1 on Friday. Do you think it's 3 buy games and then Wisconsin on Friday? Or it's an unknown high major that they are saving for Friday?

I'm going to guess Wisconsin is announced Friday, but I'll get my hopes up a little anyways.

[brewcity77]

3 being announced tomorrow and 1 on Friday. Do you think it's 3 buy games and then Wisconsin on Friday? Or it's an unknown high major that they are saving for Friday?

I'm going to guess Wisconsin is announced Friday, but I'll get my hopes up a little anyways.

They've announced everything chronologically. That means tomorrow will be 12/5 Buy Game, 12/9 Wisconsin (we already know), and likely another buy game on 12/16 or later. As soon as Froling's grades post, he can play.

Froling is not eligible to play 12/16 as that is the last day of exams and the last day of the semester.  Luke Fischer was not able to play in a similar situation.  Grades need to be released.

Your memory of that is wrong. Luke first played on the Tuesday after finals. The game before that was 10 days earlier against Wisconsin, which was before Finals and he obviously would've been ineligible.  Any game after 12/16, as long as Harry's grades are posted, he can play. They would have to rush them out on 12/16 and may hold off to play until Tuesday or Wednesday (especially in light of only playing 12 non-con games), but 12/16 is the earliest he could play.

[Nukem2]

They've announced everything chronologically. That means tomorrow will be 12/5 Buy Game, 12/9 Wisconsin (we already know), and likely another buy game on 12/16 or later. As soon as Froling's grades post, he can play.

Your memory of that is wrong. Luke first played on the Tuesday after finals. The game before that was 10 days earlier against Wisconsin, which was before Finals and he obviously would've been ineligible.  Any game after 12/16, as long as Harry's grades are posted, he can play. They would have to rush them out on 12/16 and may hold off to play until Tuesday or Wednesday (especially in light of only playing 12 non-con games), but 12/16 is the earliest he could play.

12/16 is a Saturday and the last day of the semester.  Harry can't play that day.  Just this same as in Luke's case when he could not have played that last Saturday if there had been a scheduled game.  That was discussed ad nauseum at the time.  Crux of the matter is that 12/16/17 is still part of the academic year that Harry has to sit out as it would have been with Luke that year.

[brewcity77]

I'd love to see this ad nauseum discussion of a game day that didn't exist. So everyone had thoughts on the "what if" we played on Dec 13? Color me skeptical, and unless you have evidence of this, I don't remotely believe that.

[Nukem2]

I'd love to see this ad nauseum discussion of a game day that didn't exist. So everyone had thoughts on the "what if" we played on Dec 13? Color me skeptical, and unless you have evidence of this, I don't remotely believe that.

Brew, the reason there was not a game for 10 days after the UW game was to get as many NC games as possible for Luke.  In any event, my main original  point was that Harry cannot play on 12/16/17 as you suggested in your post.

[brewcity77]

Quite possible, but I still have zero belief there was an ad nauseum discussion about a hypothetical that was never close to occurring.

[wadesworld]

And this is why they're rolling the schedule out a few days at a time.

[Nukem2]

Quite possible, but I still have zero belief there was an ad nauseum discussion about a hypothetical that was never close to occurring.

well there was a lot of discussion on the various MU boards.  In any event, you continue to avoid my point.  Harry cannot play on 12/26 as you suggest. ( irrespective of whether there is a game that Saturday or not ).   

[KampusFoods]

December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

This is exactly the type of game that greatly improves your RPI.  Well done, Broeker.

[#UnleashSean]

December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

If we're scared of Vermont at home in wojos 4th season with all the pieces he brought in...

[Bocephys]

December 5 against Vermont. This is an excellent game for RPI purposes but one that I fear we will lose. CAtamounts were 29-6 last season, won like 21 in a row, and it appears they had 0 seniors.

You people are impossible to please.

[brewcity77]

well there was a lot of discussion on the various MU boards.  In any event, you continue to avoid my point.  Harry cannot play on 12/26 as you suggest. ( irrespective of whether there is a game that Saturday or not ).   

Reading the transfer rules, all I see is that the player must complete two semesters with a full minimum course load. Once Harry completes that load and grades are out to prove it, he would be eligible. 12/16, provided grades are posted, is the earliest he could play. If there's a more detailed description than this it may mean 12/17 or later.

Regardless, Vermont is huge. Bigger even than Fresno last year because they have been so consistent. In 6 years under John Becker, every season they were top-200 RPI and top-151 Pomeroy. This is the kind of game I get excited about because winning games like this at home as opposed to Grambling is critical in determining bids and seeding.

Even if they go away from RPI, every metric uses schedule strength and the NCAA won't stop paying attention to who you play. Massive game.

They do graduate two seniors and lost one bench player to transfer, but they will still be good.

[Nukem2]

Reading the transfer rules, all I see is that the player must complete two semesters with a full minimum course load. Once Harry completes that load and grades are out to prove it, he would be eligible. 12/16, provided grades are posted, is the earliest he could play. If there's a more detailed description than this it may mean 12/17 or later.

Once again, 12/16 is part of the first semester and grades do not need to be posted until the following Tuesday.  You won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16,  whether or not there is a game that day.  I noted Luke earlier.  From a different direction, Niv Berkowitz (yeah. yeah. I know ) could not play against Arizona back when because that game was being played on the last day of that 1st semester.  Look it up.

[The Lens]

As a STH...I love this schedule.  It's hard to make every game and when you're handing out tickets to Southern Grambling State people look at you like you're giving them Wave tickets, or worse. 

Now when you can say American, Vermont, even Eastern.  They've heard of those and appreciate the gesture.

[brewcity77]

Once again, 12/16 is part of the first semester and grades do not need to be posted until the following Tuesday.  You won't be seeing Harry play on 12/16,  whether or not there is a game that day.  I noted Luke earlier.  From a different direction, Niv Berkowitz (yeah. yeah. I know ) could not play against Arizona back when because that game was being played on the last day of that 1st semester.  Look it up.

I looked up the NCAA rules and provided them.